36 Seconds Winrate aside I played with a (Diamond, which is dumb since I was only silver last season, and the highest person on our team was Gold V, but hey that is another topic) Lee Sin who build AD/semi tanky and had a 36 second ult cooldown That is being able to knock someone into your team and do 700 INSTANT damage to them So you can fight, and then kill 2 of them, do baron, and hey it is up again But honestly why is this in the game
KVbqbFsC8e30 votesThe damage on it is kinda stupid.
invisiblecat134 votesNot to mention you are unable to move for 2-3 seconds?!?
KVbqbFsC8e32 votesYeah, the mini root it has is also pretty lame. Theres just alot of unnecessary power added into that ability.
invisiblecat17 votesNo one can flash out of it anyways, so why is it there
Astôlfo3 votesBecause it's still a point and click ability even if it has a visual animated delay to it? People walking out of the way but still being kicked anyways would look weird as fuck.
Pierce The Veal13 votesBecause it's still a point and click ability even if it has a visual animated delay to it? People walking out of the way but still being kicked anyways would look weird as fuck.
Yet being hit by a melee auto attack after a flash looks pretty normal to me.
Astôlfo2 votesOn the other hand, Lee's still going through his kick animation while you "walk away" except then you get kicked and fly anyways.
Avios11 votesMake it a short-ranged Skillshot.
Done.
Astôlfo2 votes??? Why?
crippler381 voteswell for one you could kick multiple people, for two that makes it possible to avoid or fuck up, and three you can punt someone at slightly different angles from before depending on the size of the skillshot.
Astôlfo2 votesYou don't need to kick multiple people though all the time, and if you wanted to, you'd have to learn how to pull off his combo as to have his ult-kicked target hit multiple people in an optimal way. Making it a skillshot completely ruins it and makes it far too easy to avoid with that delayed animation.
It already is possible to avoid and/or fuck up. It's just those who're trash and crying about an equally trash champion don't want to learn how to play.
You can do the same now by just swiveling the mouse and/or flashing after the kick (although I disagree with Lee being able to do the latter personally).
Pierce The Veal2 votesNo one can flash out of it anyways, so why is it there
If you get cleanse/QSS you can.
invisiblecat121 votesburning QSS and flash is a lot for 36 second cd
Eedat8 votesSo you're saying you wouldn't burn QSS to save your life if you get pegged with a Morg bind because its a measly 11 second cooldown?
"That ability is unworthy of my QSS! I'll die and wait for a better opportunity! An ability must have a cooldown of at least ten minutes for me to grace it with my QSS!"
Karbuncle3 votesYeah just completely fvcking ignore the fact that see said BOTH QSS AND FLASH was a lot for a 36 second cooldown ability .
Eedat4 votesOK buddy. Too elite to flash if 
hooked I see
Karbuncle3 votesYou don't realize how stupid you are ,do you?
This is what happened
OP comments that using 1 summoner spell AND an item active for 1 ability isn't worth it
You respond with some tangent about how the OP thinks it's not worth using JUST QSS
I point out you ignored that he said using 2 things for 1 ability
Then you respond with "OK buddy. Too elite to flash if hooked I see" not only STILL ignoring the fact of 2 for 1 but now switching from just QSS use to just Flash use.
Whatever though I know you're stupid,other people know you're stupid, doesn't matter if you're aware.
Eedat3 votesOP comments that using 1 summoner spell AND an item active for 1 ability isn't worth it
Using one summoner AND one an item active is 1000% worth it if it saves a carry from dying 40 minutes into a game lmao.
Continue on with the Lee Sin QQ circlejerk though. Not sure why you even care when he's garbage at our ELO anyway
PROJECT Katarìna7 votes
The 2nd Horseman2 votesHe's right until you realize a Morg binding is dodgeable by quite literally dodging.
Eedat3 votesHe's right until you realize a Morg binding is dodgeable by quite literally dodging.
and then you realize Lee's Q is also dodgeable by quite literally dodging
The 2nd Horseman2 votesYes but lee sin can get more out of his q by using it to dash to minions or jungle camps compared to morgs binding that you can only use to hit a champion for any benefit.
Enloct10 votesSkillshot on immobile champ vs point and click on a champ with 2 dashes.
Eedat20 votes36 Seconds
No its not lol
90 / 75 / 60 seconds
Quoting level 3 ult with max CDR isn't misleading as fuck? Biased much? Can I quote, for example, Veigar's damage with 1200 AP if I wanted to make a thread about it then??
Astôlfo8 votesWhy not quote Veigar's damage with 1 million AP?
GULAG 4 U12 votesLee sin's kit in general is stupid
Hotaru is Waifu12 votesas soon as you bash on any of these champs 
you have to be ready to get a million down votes lol
Eedat5 votesas soon as you bash on any of these champs you have to be ready to get a million down votes lol
Bashing on the popular circle jerk QQ champions gets you downvoted? Wut?
SwaggyMcGhee4203 votesUr fucking retarded thats how you farm upvotes.
SwaggyMcGhee4203 votesThat really explains the 65 upvotes this post and every single other qq post gets when you complain about these champions...
Astôlfo5 votesThe ult might need a little longer cooldown, but it's 100% fine otherwise.
invisiblecat112 votes700 instant damage isn't "fine"
Astôlfo4 votesIt is perfectly fine. That is literally his only useful function (kick-bot) post-laning/early basically. And if you don't like it, build armor or stay with your team.
invisiblecat111 votesI honestly still need to disagree Remember that this spell is point and click, and he has 2 gap closers to get into melee range 700 damage just seems unfair
Astôlfo3 votesThen don't let him get to melee range? You can dodge the Q. He can also be interrupted/CC'd mid-dash/mid-Q/mid-W. And it's only 700 at rank 3 of his R. And after base armor even on squishies, it's closer to 400.
Pierce The Veal7 votesThen don't let him get to melee range? You can dodge the Q. He can also be interrupted/CC'd mid-dash/mid-Q/mid-W. And it's only 700 at rank 3 of his R. And after base armor even on squishies, it's closer to 400.
His Q drops to a 4.2 second cooldown. You'll need to dodge it many many many times.
It has 600 base damage, a 2.0 bonus ad scaling, and also deals 12/15/18% of target's bonus health in case someone though building HP could make them live longer.
DorkunedAuras5 votesThe target does not take the % damage. It's that when they are kicked through other people, the people they hit take the % damage.
Pierce The Veal3 votesThe target does not take the % damage. It's that when they are kicked through other people, the people they hit take the % damage.
It's not that hard to hit multiple people.
Astôlfo4 votesAnd it's not that hard to CC Lee before he pulls off his combo. And 2.0 total AD scaling means almost nothing since he builds nearly no AD usually.
Pierce The Veal2 votesAnd it's not that hard to CC Lee before he pulls off his combo. And 2.0 total AD scaling means almost nothing since he builds nearly no AD usually.
Just CC them is the rule for pretty much every champion.
And there's the thing, he usually does build warrior, maw of malmortius, black cleaver, then boots and two tank items (deadman's plate). He has so much utility and base damages that he doesn't need to use his amazing AD scaling.
Astôlfo4 votesLUL
Sure, you can CC every champion. But it doesn't affect them all equally. That argument is an invalid one and a fallacy.
And sure, 10% CDR with Warrior's. Maw is situational. Cleaver is situational.
You're also conveniently forgetting that building AD items means he's giving up full defense items.
Saianna6 voteswow Lee fans are sure hating this thread hard xD
