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@Meddler or other Riot developers: When will Mordekaiser receive rework/ VGU (with some opinion)

leakinb·3/31/2018, 12:08:32 PM·11 votes·1,472 views

Hello guys I'm a Morde main with more than 2 years of playing Mordekaiser. After all the runes/ balance change in the s8, I just feel playing is not that fun anymore and I would hope Riot would do something to help this metal guy

He just doesn't fit the current playstyle is too relying on teammates to do his own job OTHERWISE he is just contributing nothing to his team Now ALL champs can just kite him forever as each one (especially new release/ rework) have tons of cc/ mobility And he can do literally NOTHING about that due to his 0 mobility and cc ( does not help much though) has to take GREAT risk to go in but NOT getting corresponding reward (you cannot even do your whole combo in 99% situation)

For now, no one but the remaining Morde mains are playing this champ due to a simple reason Many champs can do the same but BETTER job than

Don't leave it into trash. is a champion with fun and exciting theme and story. Any plans of his rework? p.s. Personally I feel like needs VGU more than and

14 Comments

Cynikul3/31/2018, 12:20:47 PM3 votes

Post on your main, wanna see what runes you're running out of curiousity.

JPLangley3/31/2018, 5:08:11 PM2 votes

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TuckingFypoTsu3/31/2018, 4:43:32 PM2 votes

I heavily agree and I use this analogy a lot because it perfectly describes morde.

First every no matter what anybody tells you, a riot memeber, a challenger player, no matter who, MORDEKAISER IS AN ADC (apc). Why does this matter? Well this matters because his champion was reworked/INTENDED for his position. So you may ask, once again, why does this matter? Well when riot nerfed morde in s5 making his Q go from 1x 3x 9x damage to 1x 1x 2x (with like 40 base damage to compensate), they didn't change his fundamental kit. So when people call him a bruiser and play him top (like me), we don't play him because he was intended to be a top laner (old morde was) but because he is a trash ADC. Remember the ADC role got rebranded to marksmen because melee adcs don't work without having extremely toxic kits (in the case of morde, 1 shotting people with his Q).

As for the main analogy, morde right now is basically if riot nerfed the ever living hell out of graves and shoved him towards the jungle BUT they didn't change his kit. Without the knockback in his autos helping to kite camps, etc. graves jungle just doesn't quite work as well.

Seeing as how morde won't be getting a rework any time soon at all (i don't even expect later this year i expect next year in season 9), I say there is one thing riot could do with morde as a "hotfix". Recently morde has been played mid because of the waveclear meta and how if you can constantly shove your laner, back, buy items, you can relativly survive in the mid compared to top or bot. The people who want morde to be reverted are correct but not just in the sense of top lane, since old mordekaiser, the new midlane waveclear meta would be perfect for him. 3 wave clear abilities (since his old Q could hit multple), bonus mr with his W, not needing a minion to cast it on (since if both laners are wave clearing you don't really have anything to put your W on), etc.

But what do us morde mains know, we only love/main one of the most iconic champs in league that no other moba has similar to (trust me i tried, couldn't find a single other one in Dota, HOTS, Smite, Paragon, and Battlerite). Someone like quinn is probably gonna get a rework after akali i bet and what not.

Arakadia3/31/2018, 11:20:47 PM1 votes

I doubt Riot has planned that far in the future. We know that Aatrox, Akali, and presumably Nunu are getting large scale updates before him. There will be new champion releases throughout the year as well.

Potentially he will not get one this year. If he gets one this year, it will most likely be very late in the year.

To be honest though, Akali needs one just as much as Mordekaiser. Irelia was almost as bad, but she could function better.

One thing you should realize though is that in his rework, if you want him to get more agency or less reliance on other people, he is going to lose his power. If you want his agency to be buffed, their going to nerf his damage or his heal or something else. In the rework we will probably see him with a much less binary kit and some generally weaker numbers (damage and sustain) when played sub optimally.

The biggest question for me on his rework (for gameplay) is what they will do for his passive. The primary reason for why Mordekaiser has to have shitty defense stats is because of his passive. His passive eats up so much of his power budget and makes him undeniably durable when he is successful, but does literally nothing if he is unable to get in range/feeding.

Forhonor3214/1/2018, 1:11:46 AM1 votes

I think the issue is what direction and how Riot wants to take Mord. Right now i can only guess is how Riot wants to modify his kit, either keeping him as this battle mage that goes glass cannon or more traditional juggernaut and get some tank items.

They also need to figure out his main story in the current world, how he fits into the to the Shadow Isles while still keeping that theme of a conquering warlord revenant with dark powers of his old lore a bit.

My best guess is we probably won’t get him this year as we’ll be getting Akali nunu and speculatively Kayle and Morgana by the end of this year. Though I feel like by 2019 Riot will have figured out what to do with him. He is after all in the top tier VGU list according to Reav3.

DW Diana4/5/2018, 6:11:52 PM1 votes

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Hello guys I'm a Morde main with more than 2 years of playing Mordekaiser. After all the runes/ balance change in the s8, I just feel playing is not that fun anymore and I would hope Riot would do something to help this metal guy

He just doesn't fit the current playstyle is too relying on teammates to do his own job OTHERWISE he is just contributing nothing to his team Now ALL champs can just kite him forever as each one (especially new release/ rework) have tons of cc/ mobility And he can do literally NOTHING about that due to his 0 mobility and cc ( does not help much though) has to take GREAT risk to go in but NOT getting corresponding reward (you cannot even do your whole combo in 99% situation)

For now, no one but the remaining Morde mains are playing this champ due to a simple reason Many champs can do the same but BETTER job than

Don't leave it into trash. is a champion with fun and exciting theme and story. Any plans of his rework? p.s. Personally I feel like needs VGU more than and

The same day Aatrox rework will come out, malz w will be fixed, Zed won't 1 shot almost anyone, Kayn will be played in pro play, and riots matchmaking will be explained...in short when hell freezes over

sit kid3/31/2018, 12:33:39 PM1 votes

Hes just undertuned. No mobility or anything. Definetely needs a VGU. Riot's priorities on reworks have always been weird. I've played Azir for 3 years now, really enjoying his previous kit (although broken), just to see riot rework him and put him in the gutter again, because he still was broken. He's at 45% winrate now, and still pick/ban in LCS. Oh well, Riot Live Design not doing their job properly is nothing new Azir Mordekaiser

Clutch Thompson3/31/2018, 9:36:56 PM1 votes

Agreed, it just feels bad. Especially when riot doesn’t address it while pouring resources into stuff like irelia.

In the meantime fixes to solve these problems would be nice:

Top - too easy for the jungle to just sit on morde and gank repeatedly

Mid - easy to get poked out, sometimes you can’t even deplete them of mana

Bot - dependent on engage support, support must have knowledge of your kit (not likely), cheese dependent, is done often at the expense of having a marksmen, gets outscaled, gets poked down