Vlad is having old Ryze syndrome and should perhaps be considered for a VGU

Blood Magicks··3 votes·998 views

I was overjoyed when reworked Vlad became relevant in competitive and casters couldn't stop talking about him. Eventually pros became really good at him and we started hearing remarks like "no counterplay" "overpowered" and of course the sarcastic "very healthy". Vlad is, after all, currently the most banned champion in LCS (NA at least, where he recently surpassed Ryze.)

Now, I absolutely love the rework. It's thematic, fun, satisfying and adds some counterplay. But judging by what pros keep saying, not enough.

So there's two options:

  1. Nerf him hard. But his current win ratio is not great and may become atrocious if the nerfs continue. He is in the position of old Ryze, that is turbocancer in organized pro teams and pretty bad in soloq. So you will be helping LCS players deal with him but making Vlad mains miserable.

  2. A larger rework. One that will make him less team-reliant so Vlad players can accomplish something on their own ingame without their champion being overturned.

Honestly, I don't see why Ryze was reworked yet again with so many more deserving champions on the list, ahem Yorick Urgot .

I'm certainly not saying you should drop them and rush a Vlad VGU, but please consider adding him to the list if your intention right now is to nerf him into the trash for another three years.

One good reason is that he's one of the few champions who got picked even when he was bad because his concept, design, skins and VO were appealing. I guess I'm basically saying that like pre-rework MissFortune and unlike Ryze Urgot and Yorick (who are invariably ugly) he is a 100% sex-marketable piece of ass has the potential to attract players with his concept alone.

12 Comments

Sahn Uzal2 votes

''Oh a random Vlad playe- nvm it's you''

I'll upvote for that last sentence specifically

Marshbouy1 votes

I am going to implode if i see one more goddam "ryze didn't need the rework as much as X" post.

Blood Magicks1 votes

Nope, this is another "Vlad got nerfed on the pbe" thread. Vlad is love, Vlad is life.

Marshbouy1 votes

that's because he needed to be nerfed

specter4241 votes

not really.. sorry you are trash and can't deal with someone who has a 130 base damage nuke in lane and little else.

Marshbouy1 votes

No. A 53% ban rate says something and a massive pick/ban in LCS.

MatthewRT21 votes

His ban rate is so high because people still fear him in lcs and others watch then assume to perma ban like he has been these past two days in NA

you think he needs to be nerfed now?? for almost a year his Q did 100 more damage at lvl 5 than it does right now live. They gutted his ap ratios in the mymu and assumed people wouldn't build him tank to compinsate3 and when they did riot decides making him tank is now going to be even less rewarding. Oh they still ban him even thought we already gave a round of huge nerfs? I guess its time to break out the Galio treatment and make everyone forget he exists.

Marshbouy1 votes

so you just disregarded high LCS banrate and pickrate and just jumped to soloQ. this is how you don't balance a game.

yeah and he also didn't heal from his ult, synergize well with the new mage items, and have a better E (one you don't have to stack) People weren't building tank becasue his AP ratios were gutted, they were/are building tank because why be squishy when you can deal nearly the same amount of damage as a tank?

MatthewRT21 votes

actually getting mostly ap items can give you the same amount of health if not more than the tank vlad builds, you just get more damage for your lack of MR/AR. As, Krepo said the reason he is being banned is because he was really strong and the teams don't want to risk it . After MYMU he is mostly a team player. I wouldn't consider the E better because it has high counterplay with high reward instead of no counterplay all reward. they justified the the q nerf originally with the q passive and now its just "pros play it really good so we have to nerf it" he has been banned in every game today after the nerfs.

Marshbouy1 votes

not having MR or AR is huge. It will make you pop like a balloon.

then you can't compare old vlad to new vlad if their kit is different!

uh, that's exactly how balancing works. If a champ is OP becasue people are really good at the champion and the champion is winning a lot and being a dominant pick, they get nerfed.

MatthewRT21 votes

-_- ok so i'm going to put this in small words so you can understand. He has been permabanned in NA lcs with "hasn't been played in any games since last nerf" because of the high ban rate he is being nerfed even more on the pbe.

I compared old q to new q because after the mymu the new q does less damage overall than the old even with the passive. Then it was nerfed in 6.13.

Putting vlad on an even larger scaled rework would be hard because his identity has been established as someone who point click heals and can troll pool; leaving only the e and r to be reworked. Changing his ult very well may be the thing that turns him into someone who doesn't have to rely on team fights to get the most out of his kit

LordofEntropy1 votes

Ryze should get at least one more rework before anyone else is considered.

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