This is actually silly.

Theorex··6 votes·3,560 views

I just had a Diana go Rabadon's first item. Didn't get fed off of me or my mid until after she got rabadon's. She got 1 kill on bot lane.

Completed Rabadon's and was one shotting everyone.

The problem with this is that her passive gives her mana back, and her Q is on a mildly short CD.

Every 3rd Auto restores 15% AP in mana. Her Q mana cost is 55 at all ranks.

The full build was Double Doran's ring into Rabadon's.

Now let me explain why this is actually cancerous.

Her Third Auto has a 80% AP scaling attached to it.

Her Q has a 70% ap scaling attached to it on top of its damage.

At rank 6 with just a rabadon's.

Her Q CD is 8 seconds.

R CD is 25 seconds.

So if we account for just Q R R Auto (when she flashes/ you don't have vision of her) Auto. (level 6) Q W E Q Q R

It comes out to.

130+70% + 2(100 +60%) + 50+ 80% = 130+117.6 + 2(100+100.8)+50+134.4= 833.6 lets add in electrocute.

833.6 + 74.6 + 41 = 949.2.

Just accounting for Rabadon's and no AP runes, Doran's.

Now this damage would make sense. If her CD's made sense for them.

This is some that damage output is on her ulti cd. Which is 25 seconds.

That means, that if you are forced out of lane because she Q R R Auto'd you. By the time you come back to lane, she will be able to do it again.

LB is the only other champion that can actually do that. And everyone hates playing against LB. But the difference between LB and Diana is the fact that LB sacrifices CS to do that. Diana can throw her Q through the minion wave and farm with her 3 AoE abilities while trying to kill you.

The thing that makes her even more cancerous, is that she has a shield. The same thing that they removed from Ryze because it makes him too durable. So she can tank a bit of damage in ranged match ups and do her combo.

24 Comments

chipndip18 votes

Diana is a toxic kit. People keep crying croc tears for this chick for some ungodly reason, totally forgetting that while the character is really cool, HER PLAY STYLE IS BEYOND STUPID. Riot can't just let her sit in the dumpster because Diana players get pissy, but why on Earth do people have to deal with a 1-shot-bot like Diana?

The thigh guy2 votes

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Diana is a toxic kit. People keep crying croc tears for this chick for some ungodly reason, totally forgetting that while the character is really cool, HER PLAY STYLE IS BEYOND STUPID. Riot can't just let her sit in the dumpster because Diana players get pissy, but why on Earth do people have to deal with a 1-shot-bot like Diana?

You mean like every other assassin in the game.

chipndip15 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p8WlMONx,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-05T20:48:53.233+0000)

You mean like every other assassin in the game.

Yes, which is why they made Akali and Qiyana have slower burst rotations...because that shit is obnoxious.

Luther King Jr V4 votes

"the thigh guy" aka the guy who thinks every champ he plays is balanced and every champ he doesn't like is unbalanced, toxic and needs nerfs

are u the hashinshin of the boards dude?

The thigh guy2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Luther King Jr V,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p8WlMONx,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-07-05T21:36:18.871+0000)

"the thigh guy" aka the guy who thinks every champ he plays is balanced and every champ he doesn't like is unbalanced, toxic and needs nerfs

are u the hashinshin of the boards dude?

Oh no. I play renekton and aatrox and think they definetly are broken out their asses.

I also played lethality Lucien knowing full well he was broken.

The only champion I’ve defended being balanced specifically is kayn. Due to there being a 12 minute period he is by default the weakest person in the game.

Luther King Jr V1 votes

lmao lethality lucian

so what i play fizz rarely and i hate the champ and prefer they get deleted

the thing is u don't actually play these champs out of habit we all know u love adcs and nothing else

The thigh guy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Luther King Jr V,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p8WlMONx,comment-id=00000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-07-05T22:01:07.080+0000)

lmao lethality lucian

so what i play fizz rarely and i hate the champ and prefer they get deleted

the thing is u don't actually play these champs out of habit we all know u love adcs and nothing else

Oh yes. That’s why I have 200k mastery points on kayn right?

Luther King Jr V1 votes

can u please show ur real account or u are a private person on boards too

The thigh guy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Luther King Jr V,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p8WlMONx,comment-id=0000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-05T22:06:29.422+0000)

can u please show ur real account or u are a private person on boards too

Luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuul. What a fucking meme. XD

Luther King Jr V1 votes

8/10 of ur last games u were playing an adc so i was right u are an adc lover

didn't want to actually use riot's official match history to find ur games dude but after ur last comment i felt very inclined to do so

The thigh guy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Luther King Jr V,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p8WlMONx,comment-id=000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-05T22:38:08.269+0000)

8/10 of ur last games u were playing an adc so i was right u are an adc lover

didn't want to actually use riot's official match history to find ur games dude but after ur last comment i felt very inclined to do so

Oh yeah. I was duoing with a friend who didn’t want to go bot with a rando. Must be an Adc main.

Luther King Jr V1 votes

reasons are irrelevant if u play for urself ur friend or a charity stream u still play adc most of the time explains how u think everything under the sun is op since u play the squishiest class always

The thigh guy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Luther King Jr V,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p8WlMONx,comment-id=00000000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-05T23:20:42.581+0000)

reasons are irrelevant if u play for urself ur friend or a charity stream u still play adc most of the time explains how u think everything under the sun is op since u play the squishiest class always

So 8 games out of 2500+ makes me an adc main. Mkay dude. Your logic is so flawed it’s not even funny.

Luther King Jr V1 votes

nah i am not that dumb i scrolled past that and found easily more series of games of u playing just adc's seems like the most consistent class u play and ur bias on boards towards them also shows it it's so obvious wth are u trying to hide

The thigh guy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Luther King Jr V,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p8WlMONx,comment-id=0000000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-05T23:27:25.276+0000)

nah i am not that dumb i scrolled past that and found easily more series of games of u playing just adc's seems like the most consistent class u play and ur bias on boards towards them also shows it it's so obvious wth are u trying to hide

Like I said. Duoing with a friend suddenly makes me an adc main?

Maybe I don’t play just one role all the time. :/ I jump around as I please.

If anything that makes you bias af as well. XD

But w/e dude. You clearly know other people’s play preferences better than they do.

Luther King Jr V1 votes

that doesn't matter to me u play adc like half ur games and all the other classes for the other half

i am biased towards what exactly

LordGeovanni4 votes

champions weaker than base kaynBraum Bard Blitzcrank Galio Leona Nautilus Lulu Rakan Rammus Poppy Sona Soraka Skarner Thresh Volibear MonkeyKing Zac Yorick Zilean

If you gonna elivate those champs due to help then you need to do the same to kayn

The thigh guy2 votes

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champions weaker than base kaynBraum Bard Blitzcrank Galio Leona Nautilus Lulu Rakan Rammus Poppy Sona Soraka Skarner Thresh Volibear MonkeyKing Zac Yorick Zilean

If you gonna elivate those champs due to help then you need to do the same to kayn

Okay. I’m going to focus on a single one of them because it highlight how stupid your statement is. Yoric. Are you actually about to argue that yoric is weaker than base kayn?

4 ghouls yoric is one of, if not the single strongest thing in this game.

LordGeovanni2 votes

Yorick doesnt start any fight with ghouls and you can kite out and kill any ghouls he does summon. not to mention the massive amount of time it takes just to be able to set up ghouls. that is near the same as assuming that kayn has a from the beginning of the game. Yoricks ghouls take so long to set up and with the right positioning that with max summoning of ghouls you can only summong 4 ghouls 4 times before a Decent kayn player builds up either one of his forms. Even though Yorick got reworked his biggest strength is still the same as before his rework in that players want to ignore his ghouls instead of killing them then complain that they are unfair. And i didnt even specifically put kayn versus yorick with all of his massive damage aoe spells with short cooldowns (yes base kayn q is still massive damage). Id put yorick under skarner in strength if you know how to play against him. yes he's weaker than that champion that only has 6 strong points on the map.

The thigh guy2 votes

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Yorick doesnt start any fight with ghouls and you can kite out and kill any ghouls he does summon. not to mention the massive amount of time it takes just to be able to set up ghouls. that is near the same as assuming that kayn has a from the beginning of the game. Yoricks ghouls take so long to set up and with the right positioning that with max summoning of ghouls you can only summong 4 ghouls 4 times before a Decent kayn player builds up either one of his forms. Even though Yorick got reworked his biggest strength is still the same as before his rework in that players want to ignore his ghouls instead of killing them then complain that they are unfair. And i didnt even specifically put kayn versus yorick with all of his massive damage aoe spells with short cooldowns (yes base kayn q is still massive damage). Id put yorick under skarner in strength if you know how to play against him. yes he's weaker than that champion that only has 6 strong points on the map.

Yoric gets a ghoul after every minion killed with his q. Not to mention kayn’s qw combo will not kill them so he has to auto them individually to kill them.

So not only is he getting his ass beat by a minimum 3 ghouls at all times, he’s also getting his shit kicked in by a yoric spamming q.

LordGeovanni1 votes

so all the time it takes for yorick to Stack his ghouls what are you doing just letting him? Yoricks ghouls are hard to stack up early because Q cooldown is long and He can only stack if the minion wave stays in the same place if he pushes too hard he loses his earlier graves if you push him in too hard same thing happens. by time yorick has ghouls to summon he should have less than 40% hp you can then use your Q and W to clear the ghouls which will kill them unless yorick is going hp in lane versus you (which feeds right into red kayn) and you can not waste your Q W kill the ghouls while they hit enemy minions then engage on yorick again. Tahm Kench has the same weakness you enage on him not wait for him to engage on you the only way he survives the lane is by being the aggressor.

The thigh guy1 votes

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so all the time it takes for yorick to Stack his ghouls what are you doing just letting him? Yoricks ghouls are hard to stack up early because Q cooldown is long and He can only stack if the minion wave stays in the same place if he pushes too hard he loses his earlier graves if you push him in too hard same thing happens. by time yorick has ghouls to summon he should have less than 40% hp you can then use your Q and W to clear the ghouls which will kill them unless yorick is going hp in lane versus you (which feeds right into red kayn) and you can not waste your Q W kill the ghouls while they hit enemy minions then engage on yorick again. Tahm Kench has the same weakness you enage on him not wait for him to engage on you the only way he survives the lane is by being the aggressor.

You mean to tell me, that for your kit To work? You have to use it correctly?

And no. He won’t be under 40% because don’t forget his w heals.

LordGeovanni1 votes

No im telling you that as a kayn that yorick has no way to reliably set up any ghouls to use most of his kits power unless you play badly and let him. Yoricks Q heals not his Q and he has to get in melee range to Q which means you punish him anytime he walks up to heal/cs/dig a grave.

Opistach3 votes

Diana gets to have her crazy burst because she lacks the safety and mobility of other assassins or divers.

Her only mobility spell is to GO IN, in some situations she can use it to escape but that isn't really reliable. Leblanc has high burst and safety/mobility, she sacrifices CS. Fizz has high damage, mobility and decent Cs'ing but he sacrifices his early game.

Diana's kit is a little toxic but really, I don't think it is a huge problem.

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