So where are all those threads crying kayle would be broke?

FOR JUSTICE·Mar 6, 2019·2 votes·1,428 views

Yall seem REAL quiet right now.

Its almost as if she has to wait till like level 11 to do literally anything. And even then its still garbage.

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ValkarMar 6, 20192 votes

I just got done playing several games with her. As a Kayle main I can go ahead and tell you the choice they made to force her into melee when she has no CC, sustain, and lackluster poke, has completely broken the champ.

You have to play MEGA passive early and basically farm for 7 levels just to be a semi competent fighter.

So sad to see my fav champ ruined. Even if they make "tweaks" her playstyle is trash and more stressful to farm and fight than she is fun anymore.

kingDeDeDariusMar 6, 20191 votes

I'll try my experiment and then let you know how it goes. I think she can be made to have a fun survival build early, to become great later.

Sir SaltarinMar 6, 20191 votes

Yeah I've thought about going Grasp Undying, full sustain and grab Mana Band flow with Scorcery as second since you can proc both with her E.

The EcdysiastMar 6, 20191 votes

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I just got done playing several games with her. As a Kayle main I can go ahead and tell you the choice they made to force her into melee when she has no CC, sustain, and lackluster poke, has completely broken the champ.

You have to play MEGA passive early and basically farm for 7 levels just to be a semi competent fighter.

So sad to see my fav champ ruined. Even if they make "tweaks" her playstyle is trash and more stressful to farm and fight than she is fun anymore.

As a Kayle main you specifically liked something that no longer belongs in the game.

Sir SaltarinMar 6, 20192 votes

They were busy complaining about MuH tRuE dMg ShE WiLl bE BrOkEn

And ignored that she cant lane

SaiannaMar 6, 20191 votes

Everyone (that was somewhat unhappy with the rework) said that once kayle gets far too strong when her passive kicks in. her early-mid game is crap and can be best described as enemy teams bomb with a clock. Either they win fast or kayle activates her not_useless_anymore.exe and removes them all.

FOR JUSTICEMar 6, 20191 votes

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Everyone (that was somewhat unhappy with the rework) said that once kayle gets far too strong when her passive kicks in. her early-mid game is crap and can be best described as enemy teams bomb with a clock. Either they win fast or kayle activates her not_useless_anymore.exe and removes them all.

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so like any other scaling champion in the game?

chipndip1Mar 6, 20191 votes

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so like any other scaling champion in the game?

Yes but 92% more polarizing, complete with invincibility.

Abibyama IIMar 6, 20191 votes

And the oh so terrifying true damage

And wings, lots of them

Stars ShaperMar 6, 20191 votes

Well, I have 100% winrate on new Kayle... I played only 1 match though :P

I had a blast playting her even if a feeding Jax could oneshot me before I could even engage at 11+ level btw.

Düff McWhalenMar 6, 20191 votes

The melee only until level 11 schtick needs to go. I've only done practice tool with her so far, and mechanically she feels fine, it's just her scaling is so skewed to the late game that she might as well not ever be picked.

I tried her with multiple builds and nothing felt right whatsoever. Tried maxing Q first, Tried maxing E first and frankly, she's really terribly designed. I'm so very disappointed. I had incredibly high hopes for this rework and was very excited, but it plays even worse than old Kayle.

There is just no combination of runes or early items that makes her playable in a game where it's decided by 15 minutes... I'm not saying late game NEVER happens, it does, especially at low elo, but more often than not picking her is just going to lead to feeding and no hope of a comeback because A) players these days just ff and pull the slot machine level again on the next game, and B) The damage and burst meta we've been in for god knows how long now will not permit Kayle to snowball given how truly weak she is early.

It doesn't matter how safe you play, in a game with all Kha'Zix, Zed, Yasuo, Lucian, Pyke, Zyra, Brand, Irelia one tricks, you're never getting to late game.