I tried the new thornmail on Pbe

GodJormungandr··1 votes·388 views

it is actually nerfed badly, the damage of thornmail is meant to be against the heavy auto attackers, I understand it's nice to give it att speed/healing reduction passive that helps against the auto attackers but why would you nerf the only 100 armor item in game to 75 armor and reduce it's damage almost making it no more counter for the full heavy attackers.

The magic damage of thornmail used to be a counter for Adcs like master yi, draven, jinx etc... because the reflected damage was pretty good while it takes % of your enemy damage and % of ur armor as bonus magic damage so it was pretty unique and nice counter item.

So far Riot added 2 nice passive, made the item more expensive that's fine but why would u nerf the damage badly? and why would u take off the only 100 armor in game to 75? i don't care if u make the thornmail even more exepensive to maybe 3500 + i don't care really but at least the 100 armor + same magic damage dealt always gotta be same while adding the hp + unique passives. so it will always be the unique counter item against heavy auto attackers.

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SadKill1 votes

Items shouldn't counter people, they should help you fight them. You'll still be able to fight an auto attacker a lot better after buying it, but now it doesn't shut down that auto attacker completely. In other words, now it's not a buy to win against auto attackers. You'll get more of an edge upon getting thornmail, but you have to still use skill.

Take banshee's veil. It's frustrating to fight against with as some mages, but it doesn't completely shut you out.

GodJormungandr2 votes

The whole point about items is to counter your target Bortk counters juggernauts Mortal Reminders counters sustains Giant slayer/Lord dominok Counters vanguards

Randuin counters crits Fh counters speed Thormail suppose to counter the right click champs

However, Thornmail never was an item to shut down the "ad carry completely" u can buy Maw to counter the Magic damage it does against you, Also ur healings counter the thornmail pretty well. so?

Rather than u take no skills and kill everyone with just right click, Thornmail is meant to be the item to protect the self from those who just right click you.

SadKill1 votes

And thornmail still does that. It also now reduces healing and getting lifesteal is a way to counteract thornmail, now it deals less damage but you would need more lifesteal to counteract it more effectivly.

Items should counter yes, but not hard counter. It's a balance of does this simply counter or shut down? Do both sides still retain the ability to outplay and be outplayed.

SwiftKitten881 votes

thornmail is supposed to counter lifesteal.. NOT the other way around...

GodJormungandr1 votes

yes, like what i said its an item meant to be heavy armored + stronger damage reflected against the stronger auto attacks... but idk what people are thinking

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