Riot continues to sidestep all unlocks for ARAM

ModCaptainMårvelous·May 17, 2018·47 votes·12,793 views

I get it, I really do. You don't want to give free champs out.

Yet why is it that every time Riot has the option of making the entire ARAM pool open, they go with a weird change. The change to add the last three pools to ARAM boosting it to 42 doesn't do nearly as much. Yeah, it's nice, but again this is an issue you could fix by allowing all champions enabled for ARAM.

The other changes are great! I just get frustrated with Riot constantly bending over backwards to make sure we don't get all champs enabled. (Especially when they are for Clash???)

84 Comments

ModPeriscopeMay 17, 201826 votes

Butcher's Bridge: back by popular harassment!

ModKnightsKemplarMay 17, 201811 votes

Yeah, agreed. I'll be sure to be giving consistent and positive feedback everywhere I can that more champs is better and all of them would be best.

DeathBurstMay 18, 20182 votes

What would we gain, as a community, if all 140 champs would be unlocked instead of 42? Pretty much nothing. 42 is enough to counter the infamous ARAM-only accounts, and jumping to 140 isn't much better.

In fact, having a rotating pool of 42 champs keeps the game-mode fresh because you won't see the same mix of champs every time you play the game mode, some weeks you'll have a champ pool with more melee champs, or more divers, or more poke mage or whatever, and this adds more diversity.

ModKnightsKemplarMay 18, 20184 votes

this adds more diversity

I don't agree with that. The bigger the pool, the more the diversity. That may or may not be a good thing, I'll admit, but it does increase variability. Having too many poke champs one week over another is exactly what I'm worried about.

For every champ that is available, it is more troublesome for ARAM-only accounts. This is true all the way up to the full roster.

DeathBurstMay 18, 20182 votes

You're confusing the diversity of champs available at a given point in time with the diversity of the experiences you have playing the mode over time.

Look at the Blood Moon mode or the Project Mode. They were new experiences that you couldn't have on Summoner's Rift in part because you had access to less champs. To some extent, the same will be true in ARAM, the experience you will have in week 5 will be different from the experience you had in week 2 because the pool of available champs is different.

And for every champ that is available, it is indeed more troublesome. But the gain from any additional champ in the pool sharply decrease as the numbers go up. Quick example: ARAM-only account has 10 champs unlocked. With 10 champs in Free rotation, so 20 total champs, he has 1 in 2 chance to get a champ they want, so 50%. By adding 20 more champ to the free rotation, you go up to 40 total champ, so 1 in 4 chance, 25%, so you "gained" 25 point compared to the previous value of 50%. Now if you had 20 new champs again, up to 60 total, you have a 1 in 6 chance, so ~17%. By adding 20 champs again, you only gained 8 points instead of 25. Going from 14 to 42 champs add a lot of value. Going from 42 to 140 would not add much more.

ModKnightsKemplarMay 18, 20184 votes

Again, good points, but doesn't sway me.

I don't want a variable ARAM experience. I want the full unpredictability of the full roster of champs for every player; I see no reason to link your chances of getting certain champs, however small, to your account. Accounts that have more unlocks just have different statistics on which champs they'll get, and I'm never going to like that.

Slythrin UmbreonMay 17, 201810 votes

At this point, I'm just glad they're doing literally anything

BârdMay 17, 201810 votes

Honestly, 42 is enough.

All champs would be great, but 42 stops the ARAM smurfs from having top tier picks every game.

That's good enough for now.

Dokueki KenshinMay 17, 20184 votes

I’ll admit that I don’t get why they enabled it for Clash but not for ARAM. Glad that the Bilgewater map is coming back though. I will definitely be playing ARAM when the event starts.

MinardeMay 18, 20183 votes

Two possible concerns are burden of knowledge and champ sales. It might be daunting for (new) players to have to be familiar with every champ before trying to play ARAM. Additionally, there's a chance that some players, mainly casuals, would buy less champs if ARAM offered all champs for free. Clash avoids both situations by requiring ticket buy-in to participate.

DayngerusMay 18, 20184 votes

WAIT.

All champs enabled for CLASH?!?!

That's fucking AMAZING.

Pika FoxMay 17, 20183 votes

Again, no. No all champs for aram.

Dead flag bluesMay 17, 201830 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p3p3l4c9,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-05-17T19:26:13.240+0000)

Again, no. No all champs for aram.

found the guy who made an aram only account, trash

Pika FoxMay 17, 20183 votes

This is the account i use for aram, my only other account is solari salami. You can check my champion pool, its not just aram specific champs.

koshkyraMay 17, 201822 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p3p3l4c9,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-05-17T19:51:36.648+0000)

This is the account i use for aram, my only other account is solari salami. You can check my champion pool, its not just aram specific champs.

You literally just admitted you made an aram-only account, which is what he was accusing you of.

Pika FoxMay 17, 20182 votes

Except no? I said this is the account i use for aram. Not this is an aram specific account. Granted, i almost exclusively play aram and ai these days, but thats not much of a point, because then any account i use would be aram specific if i literally only play aram.

koshkyraMay 18, 201813 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p3p3l4c9,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-17T21:56:36.950+0000)

Except no? I said this is the account i use for aram. Not this is an aram specific account. Granted, i almost exclusively play aram and ai these days, but thats not much of a point, because then any account i use would be aram specific if i literally only play aram.

Not that this is an aram specific account

This is the account i use for aram

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This is the account i use for aram

I am genuinely confused what you are saying anymore

Pika FoxMay 18, 20183 votes

An aram account is an account made specifically for aram that picks only the best champs for said game mode.

I stated that this account is the only account i use for aram, not that it was an aram account (it is my main account with all my champions etc), as the person accused me of having an aram account (implying aram specific account made with just the best aram champs).

3TWarriorMay 18, 20185 votes

why would you make an account specifically for aram? it serves no benefit when the essence/points you could be getting on your main are now on an alt?

Pika FoxMay 18, 20182 votes

Some small subsection of aram players make aram specific accounts because they primarily play aram on it and only want good aram specific champions (or at least champions that arent terrible) that their main might have.

Theres also another subsection that make a ton of alts so they can just dodge and ignore dodge penalty.

3TWarriorMay 18, 20188 votes

I can understand the dodge decision, but making an account specifically with champions that are good for aram is what the players are complaining about

most people play aram to relax because it's a mode that it doesn't matter what you get from your main account. It can be uncomfortable, but you can play just about anything in aram

then the champs that are "good" at aram make the experience much worse

I don't want to play alistar on aram, but I change that up and make him an ap heal bot

singed can be decent when he gets his moment

it's all about perspective, but facing meta champs from accounts dedicated to winning in aram just kind of sucks

Pika FoxMay 18, 20181 votes

The reality is those accounts are few and far between and youll rarely see one. Youre more likely to run into mr dodges 30th account so he can reroll and dodge if he doesnt get his fiddluxona.

3TWarriorMay 18, 20182 votes

alright, but if you do that, are you going to go through the trouble of copying your entire champ pool...or are you just going to take picks like blitzcrank, ziggs, xerath, chogath, or anything that can easily advance and things get awkward

Pika FoxMay 18, 20182 votes

I dunno how they do it or what they focus on. Probably cheap strong picks.

ProfirixMay 18, 20181 votes

While I'm pretty sure Pika is full of crap, there is actually a good reason to make an ARAM-only account and not abuse the limited champion pool.

A friend of mine contacted Riot because he was getting screwed by his MMR in ranked matchmaking and couldn't figure out why. This Riot employee told him that MMR was cumulative and calculated based on EVERY SINGLE GAME YOU PLAY. My friend and I happened to really enjoy ARAM and we played it almost exclusively for months. Because he had so many games under his belt, he was at high plat, low diamond MMR and his matches were getting heavily weighted because of that. The only way to fix it is to stop playing ARAM on that account and your MMR will slowly return to normal.

Moral of the story is, don't play ARAM games on your main ranked account because it may work against you.

3TWarriorMay 18, 20183 votes

thought every mode including aram had separate MMR, thus the reason why people talk about high ranked players showing up in lower ranked normal games, etc

though if you win too much, you would work your way up in aram

ProfirixMay 21, 20181 votes

I thought so as well, but I'm willing to believe something that came straight from a Rioter.

MinardeMay 18, 20181 votes

I wonder if there was a misunderstanding somewhere there because various Riot comments along with the official matchmaking guide have all said that MMR is queue-specific.

DeathBurstMay 18, 20181 votes

I am genuinely confused what you are saying anymore

Either you're an ass or you're really stupid? I don't know which one is worse...

"This is the account I use for ARAM" does NOT mean "I use this account only for ARAM", so this is not an "ARAM-only account".

koshkyraMay 18, 20182 votes

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Either you're an ass or you're really stupid? I don't know which one is worse...

"This is the account I use for ARAM" does NOT mean "I use this account only for ARAM", so this is not an "ARAM-only account".

Except it does. Thats literally the exact same sentence.

If i said "this is my adc account" it means i play exclusively adc on this account. There is no argument. Come on man, its not that difficult to understand.

DeathBurstMay 19, 20181 votes

No, it does not. Just no. Ask your english teacher, or better yet, your math teacher.

"I use account A for ARAM" does not contradict "I use account A for Ranked." You can use the same account A for both activities. Using account A for one activity does not mean it's the only activity you do with account A.

"This is the account I use for ARAM." does NOT mean you play exclusively ARAM on this account. Nothing in that sentence implies exclusivity. Nothing at all.

Indeed, there is no debate. Indeed, this is not that difficult to understand. Except you have it totally backward...

koshkyraMay 19, 20181 votes

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No, it does not. Just no. Ask your english teacher, or better yet, your math teacher.

"I use account A for ARAM" does not contradict "I use account A for Ranked." You can use the same account A for both activities. Using account A for one activity does not mean it's the only activity you do with account A.

"This is the account I use for ARAM." does NOT mean you play exclusively ARAM on this account. Nothing in that sentence implies exclusivity. Nothing at all.

Indeed, there is no debate. Indeed, this is not that difficult to understand. Except you have it totally backward...

Except he didnt say either of those

He said "this is my aram account"

He didnt say "i use this account for aram AND ranked". He said "ARAM."

Nothing in that sentence implies exclusivity

If you used the right sentence it would. Good day. Hf typing another rage-fueled argument that im not going to read.

DeathBurstMay 19, 20181 votes

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He said "this is my aram account"

NO.

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p3p3l4c9,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-05-17T19:51:36.648+0000)

This is the account i use for aram

No he did not. YOU should use the right sentence.

koshkyraMay 19, 20181 votes

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NO.

No he did not. YOU should use the right sentence.

Those are the exact same thing and you know they are. Have you officially ran out of arguments and are now looking for small things to nitpick at? I was anticipating that, thanks. Done?

P0IS0N IVYMay 19, 20181 votes

Pretty sure he means that his current account, the one that contains both what people would consider aram and nonaram champs, is what he uses to aram.

NocturnalSheildMay 17, 20188 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p3p3l4c9,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-05-17T19:51:36.648+0000)

This is the account i use for aram, my only other account is solari salami. You can check my champion pool, its not just aram specific champs.

Then you should have no problem with all champions unlocked.

Pika FoxMay 17, 20183 votes

No, i do have a problem with it. If i dont own the champion, its because chances are i dont want to play said champion. Meaning no, i dont want to be randomed said champion and forced to play them.

NocturnalSheildMay 18, 201811 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p3p3l4c9,comment-id=00030000000000010000,timestamp=2018-05-17T23:49:28.111+0000)

No, i do have a problem with it. If i dont own the champion, its because chances are i dont want to play said champion. Meaning no, i dont want to be randomed said champion and forced to play them.

So you have a hand picked aram account... got it.

Your why we NEED all champions unlocked.

Sp33d Zer0May 18, 20182 votes

I agree, why should you have all champions for ALL random ALL mid.

DeathBurstMay 18, 20184 votes

Because the "ALL" doesn't apply to the champion pool, but to the players? All PLAYERS with a random pick and all PLAYERS in the mid lane?

ampheonMay 18, 20183 votes

As long as I don't get flamed when I get champs I can't use like Riven I'm fine

NaonoMay 18, 20182 votes

Opening all can lead to more dodges. I ratherplay against an op team than be dodged all day. I once I have 5 dodges at once can't remember how much occured during the my time playing. But certainly it was a lot.

When you don't trade certain champs to ppl they dodge. They get a champ they never played or like they dodge.

Me, I get a champ of the same (I don't like or not good with) I don't dodge, I just play. Sometimes I trade my fave champ.

Opening the champ pool is better than all especially if it increases as they add new champs just like free rotation.

Edit: I am happy they are taking some look at ARAM, just sad they decided too because of new champs origin and returning of a past mode.