Can the Cass situation from today be the beginning of a trend?

ModCaptainMårvelous··257 votes·7,627 views

For the unaware, an accidental and experimental Cass update was pushed to the PBE today. Repertoire already made a comment about it:

Hi all, Cassiopeia's update did go to the PBE today by accident, but what you see is representative of the direction for the mid season update. It will be gone from the PBE after this weekend, so if you want to check it out and play it until then, have a blast. Also, don't freak about numbers and stuff yet. She's still an unfinished product.

I'm not going to mark this as some massive change or some paradigm shift in League's design cycle because, as it's said, this was an accident. However, this COULD be the start of something fantastic.

Small, controlled weekend tests could give Riot some valuable info on directions and where things are going. In fact this playtest could actually tell people what works for a kit and what doesn't, saving valuable man-hours on remaking particles and ability icons simply by seeing if the new ability will feel nice. It gives mains/players a feeling on what champions are being aimed for and, overall, it's possibly an amazing tool to give Riot feedback without worrying about what is clearly not done.

Part of the issue with champ reworks/updates is that we don't get to touch them until they're done and done. We couldn't give feedback on new Fiora until she was finished. We had to wait for Garen/Skarner/Morde/Darius to be out before we touched them. So on. This could be an amazing tool to solve feedback right away and give some better insight when it comes to developing a champ update.

Riot certainly doesn't have to do this but I sincerely hope they're monitoring this weekend and the feedback Cass gets. If this all goes well, this could be beneficial to absolutely EVERYONE involved. Players, Riot and otherwise.

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Malicious Metal104 votes

This would certainly allow Riot to gather valuable information on how a champion "feels" and if they do live up to their champ identity.

Hopefully the forst of many of these "accidental leaks"

kDrakari18 votes

I bet you wish they pushed the Morde rework a month earlier so you could start telling them about things they were doing wrong before they thought they were finished.

Mhihnj3 votes

typical

kDrakari3 votes

Rammus OK

PeachsProperty5 votes

1 hit Q's were not fun. how it even made it live i will never know

ImmortalBloodCY1 votes

It never was 1 hit , it was a 3 hit combo on his Q.

kDrakari8 votes

It was a "3 hit combo", but with the ratios on release Morde could use the first two hits on minions then flash and 100-0 somebody with just the third hit.

WiegrafOfValor2 votes

Metal, not related with your reply..

Did you know mord is sitting in last place for mid and top, with less than 0,1% play rate?

Just want you to know.. Bye

doombotMECHA3 votes

what did MM ever do to you?

WiegrafOfValor1 votes

{quoted}

what did MM ever do to you?

Nothing, I love the guy, but my posts asking for mord rework or buff gets downvoted and his doesn't.. I want him to make another one

Penta Penguin3 votes

The forums are a memester hivemind, don't take anything here seriously

Trídent30 votes

I'm not going to mark this as some massive change or some paradigm shift in League's design cycle because, as it's said, this was an accident.

Eh, wouldn't be surprised if Repertoir purposely leaked it :P Sounds like something he would do, to make the reworks better

kaltenashes5 votes

for better? Quinn item 3070

oh well, old mains dont like but LC$ loves it

Hello I am Bird3 votes

Your FEK avatar makes me really happy ;v;

Vellich0r2 votes

I actually really enjoyed the quinn rework funny enough though I understand its the shift in play style that bothers people.

Sevixys1 votes

Well, I played Quinn since release and loved her at first after the rework. Now she seems pretty vain tho..

kaltenashes1 votes

i played around 20 games with quinndred and never selected her again, rip skins i have for her

Sevixys1 votes

Typical.. Plays a champ for twenty times - has all the skins. Typical...

kaltenashes1 votes

Ok

I have around 50 to 60 k of mastery points (its a lot for me cause im always filling), old quinn was awesome

Before she got reworked i bought two skins...

Sevixys1 votes

Hmm, understood that you'd play qwin 20 times ever.. :p

Yeh I know the suffering, bought all 3 skins and nowadays seldom playing her. 150k mastery tho.. (I'm a filler too btw)

She has become too mainstream and low-counterplay. What I like in the rework is her new superb splitpush potential. I can sometimes win 4v5 by splitting correctly

MrBuffington19 votes

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Eh, wouldn't be surprised if Repertoir purposely leaked it :P Sounds like something he would do, to make the reworks better

Especially with how Cass's last rework was received, and she just happened to be the one that was leaked.

Tin foil hat - ENGAGED

Zeal Seeker19 votes

I honestly think that the machine gun kit of Cassiopeia should be given to Urgot, his kit is somewhat similar. I really want Cassiopeia to be a poison mage.

SpecterVonBaren13 votes

I want Urgot's rework to basically turn him into Metal Gear.

Mama Soraka5 votes

I don't know what "turn him into Metal Gear" could possibly entail, but now I want it, too

SpecterVonBaren7 votes

I want him to be a mobile artillery platform. Kog'maw is a gatling gun, so I want to see Urgot become the mobile missile launcher, a slow moving, projectile launching death machine.

It Hertz When IP1 votes

To be fair, he already has the slow moving and the projectile launching down.

SpecterVonBaren3 votes

Exactly. I want to see something like them having his ult have him launch a bunch of missiles that he can control like a Sion ult.

Bodkins Odds1 votes

I love everything about this idea.

DJ S0NA2 votes

She is a strong poison mage now, her Q deals alot more damage, her W might change because it feels the same, her E change will definitely make people max Q now. E is like a small "helper" for your damage with the poisoned target, and ult is the same.

THESuperStuntMan18 votes

Except they asked for input for the changes at the beginning of the year and most of the commentary was whining that "Vel'Koz is perfect. Leave him alone" and "Why aren't Syndra/Swain/etc being changed instead?

I personally like Riot asking for input, and I gave suggestions at the time, but most of the people on the boards are unhelpful and just whine about changes instead of trying to help.

ModCaptainMårvelous21 votes

So then they can actually try these changes and provide feedback based on the changes?

A Liberal4 votes

Actually there was plenty of constructive feedback on those posts....

Granted I really only payed attention to Cass, but still xD

Z5I5vs5nCO2 votes

I didn't see the threads, but knowing this community, specifically the boards, I believe it.

Borbland7 votes

For me, the greatest thing is the continuation of the grounded mechanic introduced with Poppy. That means we finally have something to counter high mobility assassins. Before we had nothing to prevent them dashing then CC, which also countered everything, but now we finally have something to ruin those assassins life.

Auryiel6 votes

They said they wouldn't do that because they're afraid people will get attached to kits or ideas that they deem to be mistakes

ModCaptainMårvelous15 votes

That's an absolutely terrible reason. Ideas that are liked/loved can reappear and return in the form of other characters/kits/etc.

Just because someone likes it doesn't mean it's too good to be removed.

Auryiel8 votes

Given their laughable track record of creating expectations and then having it blow up in their faces, I can understand their stance on this

They're just making sure we can't hold anything against them

ModCaptainMårvelous6 votes

Difference there is that "We're testing something new" versus "We promise that XYZ is coming soon".

Ao Shin would fall into this category. Testing a WIP kit is not.

Auryiel5 votes

And Riot's obvious (and tbh well deserved) response would be that many of their players have not demonstrated the ability to see the difference between Ao Shin and a WIP kit

Look, I don't agree with their decision, but from their point of view it makes total sense

Rot Panda3 votes

If there was better communication on announced characters and reworked kits even if they are currently Works In Progress, this should reduce that confusion. But what can you expect when they show off some sweet dragon concept with a name and everything, then spend 3 years saying "It'll come out soon"

At least they've expressed that champion reworks for Taric and Yorick are in the pipeline just behind other champions, and hopefully they don't end up with another Ranked Dominion situation cause that breeds a certain kind of hate.

SettDownShutUp5 votes

Please take note on this Riot, We WANT to test builds for you, we'd love to try out your crazy pre-release designs.

hotarse3 votes

"accidentally leaked" ? come on! that's double speak for, let's see how this shit goes. did it hit the fan? who knows? i didn't play it yet.

kaltenashes2 votes

RiotRepetoir did make a thread and talked with some Quinn mains (during her rework), he made a thread about what changes players wanted with Cassiopeia E, he also made a thread to talk about all of his works (past/current), he even answered off-context question in those threas and (except for Quinn Skarner ) he seems like a good rioter

but still quinndred was released item 3070, lotta people disliked and asked for a change, but it went live anyway and all i can do i remember how fun she was (anyone want to trade skins?)

all fingers crossed he wont fk up cassiopeia (its not fun that he is work on another champ i like to play), her changes doesnt seem that bad (except for denying her item 3020 , there goes some mpen away)

My Waifu Vanilla8 votes

You lose 15 mpen for probably 100+ ability power which is a fair trade imho, it just takes longer to scale. However, with 6 items you can hold off on your BIG purchase items for later and go for better early items (Death cap and crew can wait longer).

kaltenashes1 votes

i realized this trade, boots for another big item... still there are enchants... bah just wait and see when its done

MisterShameless2 votes

With options to give movement speed from ludens and lichbane, she still gets something to help her out.

Elindiir1 votes

500 movement speed is pretty wicked.... Oh Yi is chasing you? You might make it to tower in time to stun him and kill him...

Bobloser35552 votes

The new Cass cannot buy boots? Sounds like a neat idea.

Khell DarkWolf2 votes

Me thinks this is just a diversion of the fact people keep talking about solo queue

ModCaptainMårvelous10 votes

Yes.

I'm positive that they're just leaking content to distract everyone from solo queue. I'm also certain the tinfoil limo and the tinfoil butler go great with your hat/tuxedo combo made of tinfoil.

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