How are you supposed to fight an irelia? Legit question.

HongChongDong·May 12, 2016·1 votes·922 views

I've never once seen a viable option to actually beat an irelia in the top lane. Only those cases where player error lead to her losing lane.

From my perspective she has no mechanical counter play as her kit is all easy to land abilities and low CD's, no stat counterplay as she does all damage types in large quantities, no matchup counterplay because her in combat sustain and mobility make her an amazing duelist, and no scaling issues as she doesn't need offensive stats and can just buy a triforce then straight tank.

If someone has an actual answer as to how I'm supposed to beat this I am looking to hear it.

9 Comments

Fondling GemsMay 12, 20162 votes

Irelia spikes at 2 6 and late game. Bully level 1, bully 3-5, then roam after hitting 6.

Or play Nasus. Irelia can't stop a nasus from farming, his lv 6 lets him survive her 6, and he outscales everyone.

Irelia is one of those champs that is very matchup dependent. Just remember that even if you shut her down and destroy her in lane she will eventually be strong again. She has trouble with early jg ganks too since she has low sustain at that point and can't 1v2.

Leopards GhostMay 12, 20161 votes

buy armor first & stop trying to duel her?

ll League God llMay 12, 20161 votes

I can literally beat her with anyone I take top lane.

Anticipate her dive

Always have LESS HP then her at the start of an engage so you dont get stunned

Anticipate the ult

Build properly against her

After specing your match history you also improperly built mundo against her. Irelia went BOTRK / Trinity / Frozen heart ( prob later on ) and while sunfire has decent armor, it doesnt help counter irelia as well as items like frozen heart would, or thornmail considering her build. Tabis are only so good vs true damage... with those things asside... why would you ever rush warmogs before spirit vissage?

Your problem is in your build mostly as a mundo vs an irelia, your other issue is allowing her to roam without pursuit of her, or proper warnings for your allies.

Their team got 2 more dragons then yours which is huge considering new ele dragons

Their team took baron yours didnt

You purchased ONLY ONE pink the entire game, and managed to destroy far less wards then you placed, you placed 6, destroyed 2

She has 60 more farm then you which is a problem considering how many more team fights she took part in, so her gold advantage was way above yours

There are so many issues to this game, and it has nothing to do with Irelia being good / bad.. you made horrible choices

HongChongDongMay 12, 20161 votes

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I can literally beat her with anyone I take top lane.

Anticipate her dive

Always have LESS HP then her at the start of an engage so you dont get stunned

Anticipate the ult

Build properly against her

After specing your match history you also improperly built mundo against her. Irelia went BOTRK / Trinity / Frozen heart ( prob later on ) and while sunfire has decent armor, it doesnt help counter irelia as well as items like frozen heart would, or thornmail considering her build. Tabis are only so good vs true damage... with those things asside... why would you ever rush warmogs before spirit vissage?

Your problem is in your build mostly as a mundo vs an irelia, your other issue is allowing her to roam without pursuit of her, or proper warnings for your allies.

Their team got 2 more dragons then yours which is huge considering new ele dragons

Their team took baron yours didnt

You purchased ONLY ONE pink the entire game, and managed to destroy far less wards then you placed, you placed 6, destroyed 2

She has 60 more farm then you which is a problem considering how many more team fights she took part in, so her gold advantage was way above yours

There are so many issues to this game, and it has nothing to do with Irelia being good / bad.. you made horrible choices

I'm willing to admit my faults but the CS and baron are separate issues.

The CS was due to me not wanting to get close to her period because every time I've ever dealt with an irelia she would just jump onto me after 1 sub item and half health me with no way of countering her sustain between corrupting pot and her W.

The baron was done after our team had basically given up as Jhin was our only carry but she could dive him whenever she wanted and basically insta kill him. She also did this to anyone that wasn't tanky so we gave up.

She also never actually roamed much except for I think maybe 1 Tp play. Everything she got was mainly from her just staying top and killing anything squishy that came to stop her pushing.

Finally my item build was basically me doing that because Irelia always does absurd amounts of true damage so I thought I'd get armor for the physical then go for HP to hopefully survive.Never worked out though so I basically give up when I face an irelia now.

ll League God llMay 12, 20161 votes

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I'm willing to admit my faults but the CS and baron are separate issues.

The CS was due to me not wanting to get close to her period because every time I've ever dealt with an irelia she would just jump onto me after 1 sub item and half health me with no way of countering her sustain between corrupting pot and her W.

The baron was done after our team had basically given up as Jhin was our only carry but she could dive him whenever she wanted and basically insta kill him. She also did this to anyone that wasn't tanky so we gave up.

She also never actually roamed much except for I think maybe 1 Tp play. Everything she got was mainly from her just staying top and killing anything squishy that came to stop her pushing.

Finally my item build was basically me doing that because Irelia always does absurd amounts of true damage so I thought I'd get armor for the physical then go for HP to hopefully survive.Never worked out though so I basically give up when I face an irelia now.

I hear where you are coming from, but consider this, spirit vissage gives you CDR and more HP regen making your ult up more, and heal for more when it is up.

Youre E now scales incredibly well so even items like iceborn gauntlets are amazing on mundo now because you get like 200 AD from your E

That irelia was almost purely attack speed based, thus items like frozen heart and randuins ( slows her attacks when she hits you ) would slow down her ability to dump heavy and fast damage on you

Considering items like the healing reduction item would allow you to mitigate her ult.

Sunfire is a nice item dont get me wrong, but you can get the flame part of it without finishing the item to better tailor your build.

going item 3751 then item 3082 instead of finishing sunfire right away would have been a much better build path

I would even say after wardens rush spirit vissage, after you finish spirit vissage then finish randuins, THEN finish sunfire

Mundo gets alot of passive damage in his kit, his W helps wave clear alot. You need to not look at guides online because most of them dont take matchups into account, and adjust your build path.

The majority of the time in league, finishing your first item is worse than building up parts of 2-3 items before begining to finish them

The idea is to give yourself the best chance at your current spot in the game, and rushing a specific item is rarely a good choice.

GoatfishMay 12, 20161 votes

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HongChongDongMay 12, 20161 votes

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think i tend to agree that since her kit is basically all point-and-click, there is little opportunity for mechanical outplay, unless you have someone like gnar who can kite.

I think it;s experience. She's basically point-and-click and stats, so you either outstat her at a given time or she outstats you. Obviously only fight when you are stronger but think you can only figure that out with short trades. Learn her W animation so you can just back off whenever she pops that thing bc you wont be winning that trade. anticipate her stun so you can avoid it

her power spikes in lane are probably & then , which once that's done i dont think any champ wants to duel her. Keep farm up and roam, work with team. Punish her roams mid-game when she can assassinate your carries.

just practice i think and experience but im with you i never realy feel confident in that matchup. good thing i dont play top 8)

Even when I play gnar she double dashes with her Q then jumps on me at which point I lose over half my Hp at which point she walks away and I just give up the trade for fear of the Q coming back up and getting finished off.

grugMay 12, 20161 votes

since irelia is mostly sustain AA based you can pick someone like olaf or warwick and just outsustain her, these guys also trade better than irelia in lane.