Duskblade of Draktharr + Youmuu's Ghostblade + Black Cleaver.
Is anyone else absolutely sick of seeing this build all around the place? Miss Fortune, Graves, Jhin, Pantheon, etc; I'm sick of seeing this build combination on champions that abuse it. Honestly I wouldn't mind seeing the items get some changes or alterations or something so these builds weren't so infuriatingly commonplace.
Anyone else feel similar?
Sahn Uzal6 votesChampions like Wukong and Pantheon are supposed to build those kind of items, Marksmen ain't tho...
Marshbouy1 votesyeah. I dont know why OP complained about assassin bruiser items on assassin bruisers
SkyblazeHydraX31 votesBlack Cleaver I don't have a problem with, that is meant for bruisers, and it's an item that assassins had to pilfer into their builds.
However, I do have an issue with the likes of Pantheon and Wukong much for the reason people hate Talon (or AP assassins like LeBlanc and Katarina); when they build these items, they can get on your face and kill you with next to know counterplay. My issue is with Pantheon more than Wukong in that situation. At least Wukong needs to use his ultimate to kill you. Pantheon? He just needs to use his W, which is downright coded as an undodgeable auto-hit stun whose outcome is determined when the skill is activated, then use his E and Q to nuke you down.
.....Pantheon has made me very salty over the recent months, not gonna lie. With him specifically I'd like to see him either get nerfs that deal with his incredibly reliable 100-0 combo, or pushed up on the rework list.
(ahem) That aside, I don't like it on them in general because they both have free means of being very bulky while still 100-0 like an assassin. Bruisers are supposed to be a middle ground between assassins and tanks, dealing consistent damage while being tanky, but requiring that tankiness to deal their sustained damage.
SkyblazeHydraX31 votesI replied to the person who initially replied to you. See that for my feelings on the matter.
Sahn Uzal1 votesI feel like you have a dislike for Pantheon specifically lol
SkyblazeHydraX31 votesOh, it's not for Pantheon specifically.
....It's for all champions who can 100-0 anyone not-tank with no room for counterplay nor interaction.
I actually love and own Pantheon's Dragonslayer skin, but I hate how his kit works right now. People play him as basically a one-and-a-half-trick pony, and so long as they're even mildly competent there's virtually no difference between an experienced Pantheon player and someone relatively new to the champion. I would love to see him get a bit more versatility and interactivity to his kit.
Sahn Uzal1 votesI actually love and own Pantheon's Dragonslayer skin
Same
I would love to see him get a bit more versatility and interactivity to his kit.
Same
SkyblazeHydraX31 votesThank you. And with his new lore while his characterization is debatable, putting him on the same scale as Leona and Diana (or higher, given the complete possession) opens up a lot of possibilities for him.
Currently Pantheon's kit and theme is basically a spartan wannabe. Now he is the Aspect of War, essentially warrior combat incarnate. Dare I say it, I'd actually like to see him get Sion'd or Poppy'd to give him a truly unique and memorable kit. Memorable for the right reasons, at least.
foinhas5 votesGhostblade active is waaaay too strong and Duskblade was a mistake to begin with.
Sahn Uzal1 votesGhostblade isn't that strong, unless you're playing a champion that is an AD caster, but can also consistantly use the AS... So basically the Caster ADC's using the item, such as Lucian MF and Jhin.
Linna Excel1 votesSo how do you gut the item without hurting those champions?
foinhas1 votesIf you're a caster, you don't need AS. It's like veigar buying nashor's tooth...
SkyblazeHydraX31 votesIt is helpful though. On one occasion I managed to kill the enemy Vayne as Kha'Zix. It was a close fight, and I only won because I got my auto-attack out faster. How? Youmuu's.
The active makes for a very powerful chase and dueling tool, even on assassins and casters.
SkyblazeHydraX31 votesHonestly, I am a Kha'Zix main. I wouldn't mind seeing Ghostblade take some sort of hit to make it less usable on the marksman abusing it, so long as the assassins that need it are compensated somewhat.
foinhas1 votesIn my opinion the AS should be nerfed to someting like 20%. The ms should stay the same for meele, but reduced to half for ranged
SkyblazeHydraX31 votesI was thinking that maybe the active could give one of three things in exchange for the base stats being greatly reduced:
The Bearded Bard2 votesWelcome to Season 6 where Marksmen build like Assassins and Assassins build like Bruisers and Tanks build like Mages.
I Q1 votesIs anyone else sick of the same complaints being spammed on the boards? Because I am.
As you can see with solo queue complaining more isn't going to make it happen, and it isn't going to get you a million upvotes (As shown on this post)
SkyblazeHydraX32 votesI don't care about upvotes. I'm asking a question; is my opinion in the minority or not? Do I just need to learn how to deal, or is there a legitimate problem?
Critmaster Garen1 votespantheon is considered to be an assassin.
SkyblazeHydraX31 votesNo, he's a diver by Riots own statements.
Trust me, I almost wish; then it would mean he could get reworked and he could lose the guaranteed stun into 100-0 combo.
Linna Excel1 votesBack in my time, adcs rushed IE (or BT while it had stacking) or else they were called noobs.
Sightless661 votesBack in the days of the stacking BT, the IE rusher was the noob, unless he was playkng Kog or Trist.
warpenguin5551 votesyes. armor is supposed to counter the adc, they have way too many items to get through it now
Sightless661 votesArmor stil counters flat armor penetration. These builds are good because they let an adc burst other squishies extremely well. They aren't anything special against guys who build armor.
KING 5HARK1 votesThe entire reason nobody is rushing crit is because you need 2 items to get any dps out of it. Its just that now, people found an actually viable alternative. Not to say that these items are not bullshit on ADCs, we just need a rework of the entire crit system to make crit appealing since even when crit is op, its still based on rng making ArP the more reliable source of damage
SkyblazeHydraX31 votesHonestly, I think Duskblade needs to be made melee-exclusive. It's unfortunate, but the likes of Jhin, Lucian, and MF are really making it so its warranted. I'd rather see them lose the item than their kits gutted.
Akali is SO HOT1 votesThat's what happens when Riot doesn't nerf certain items for ranged champions that they can abuse.
SkyblazeHydraX31 votesAfter seeing Youmuu's on Yasuo, I'm almost wondering if it really is too strong...