Can we address Frozen Mallet vs Rylia's?

Theorex··1 votes·413 views

So I would like to point out how much better the AD counter-part to item 3116 currently is standing.

Given that some champions of both items can use them more efficiently than others.

item 3022 : Gnar , Shyvana

item 3116 : Malzahar , Brand , Cassiopeia

But heres my big thing about these items.

AD champions use item 3022, generally many AD champions like to auto attack or have an ability that proc on-hit effects.

AP champions use item 3116, it only procs on spell damage [Given some spells are Melee like Kassadin etc].

But currently as it stands; most mages aside from a few [ Ryze ] can build item 3009 to nullify the movespeed debuff. But if a Gnar or a Shyvana really felt that they needed those boots over item 3111 it really would not hurt their kits.

Now the argument here is well these mages have reapplying abilities.

True! Good Job! You figured out why these champions go well with item 3116 they have lasting abilities!

_Great Great, except for when you get auto'd once, by a champion that has item 3022. Range or Melee is going to slow down the mage by at least an additional 10-20%. Want to know something else about these mages [Cassiopeia gtfo you don't need to be mentioned right now]? They don't have any form of getting away or getting to you. Where as Gnar and Shyvana have ulti + movespeed/bounce. _ The next argument is: Well they should not have been in that bad of positioning for the Gnar or Shv to have gotten to them.

_Who here commenting on this is challenger, or masters? Lets be real; even if you do position well. If you happen to be one of the two primary sources of damage they will try their fucking hardest to make sure you die. Because I know I would; fuck. _ Next Question: So what the hell are you trying to say other than item 3022 is better than item 3116. You have nothing other than two champions that get to abuse the item and three champions that get to abuse item 3116 that doesn't solidify much.

_You would be correct; geese you are a genius! _

                                                                                                                 **TL:DR; **

what I am getting at here is, item 3022 is overall too much more powerful than item 3116. On the main champions that use both of these items. item 3116 got nerfed because of OTHER champions getting it, because rito made it a staple. An item that isn't reliant on CD on spells; gives HP and has a better slow. Making anything for a mage that uses item 3116 near impossible to do other than force them to man fight.

P.S. Can we like nerf its ranged slow to like 20% at least? I can understand the melee; but really ranged?

At least hextech is fair because its only once per burst!

2 Comments

Sett up 4my gank2 votes

I think you are underestimating the real power of item 3116 the reason it is so powerful is its ability to make follow up skill shots nearly impossible to miss. Brand for example. You just E the target and now that they are slowed you get a free stun and W follow up. Malzahar E someone and you now have a guaranteed silence on them. not to mention its innate synergy with item 3151. while item 3022 can also make follow up abilities easier to hit for the most part the champions that run it don't have abilities that work with it so well. Gnar yes you can hit his Q easier but that't not as punishing as a stun or silence. Yes shyv can hit her E easier but 1 she is melee and 2 its still not as significant as being hard CC'd for free. You could try to argue mega gnars abilities work well because you can land easy stuns but when gnar is mega he is also melee. There is very few champs who use mallet well, and those that do use it to apply extra damage for the most part where as rylais is used to make skill shots nearly guaranteed combos for the most part.

MaeDoSan1 votes

When item 3116 was good every1 made it , literally anyone so it was nerfed same with item 3022 only a few can use it effectively

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