Suggestion for Liss' new passive change

Catastrop·Mar 25, 2017·116 votes·11,751 views

Let her use her crit animation when she does the empowered auto.

That is all.

49 Comments

RiotRiot MapleNectarMar 25, 201793 votes

Hmm that's an interesting suggestion. I'll mention it to the guy working on her and see what he thinks. No promises though!

CatastropMar 25, 20176 votes

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Hmm that's an interesting suggestion. I'll mention it to the guy working on her and see what he thinks.

Oh my god a Red response on my thread!!! [slayer-pantheon-rainbows]

No promises though!

Oh that's fine, I'm happy it's actually getting passed along.

RiotRiot MapleNectarMar 25, 201727 votes

Haha! Spoke with the designer about it so he's aware :) There's some additional things that would need to be figured out before doing something like a crit animation on the passive, and they may decide with a different direction for the passive altogether, but for now he's at least been made aware :).

Thanks for the idea!

GrReaper96Mar 25, 20174 votes

Since Lux is also getting some changes would you guys consider letting her passive use her crit animation too?

blueberrypancakeMar 26, 20172 votes

I dunno, that's recipient side so it would be more difficult to do that.

underscores222Mar 26, 20171 votes

It's fairly easy since the game knows what the auto is targeting before the auto animation starts. If it's something with illumination (think that's the passive's name) then crit animation.

Supreme Senpai69Mar 27, 20171 votes

Yea but Riot dislikes changing things unless it's smooth/easy and needed. For example, if they change Lux to have a crit animation on her passive, then now Azir will summon Lux soldiers as his W. Spaghetti OP.

Jesus is SaviorMar 26, 20171 votes

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Haha! Spoke with the designer about it so he's aware :) There's some additional things that would need to be figured out before doing something like a crit animation on the passive, and they may decide with a different direction for the passive altogether, but for now he's at least been made aware :).

Thanks for the idea!

What if this new passive makes AD/crit "huge magic damage crits" Lissandra viable? Wouldn't making ALL empowered attacks use the crit animation be a bit.... Misleading?

blueberrypancakeMar 26, 20171 votes

Empowers with IE kappa

Dominick DestineMar 25, 201731 votes

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Hmm that's an interesting suggestion. I'll mention it to the guy working on her and see what he thinks. No promises though!

Riot Meddler looks different today.

I think it's a new haircut.

RiotRiot MapleNectarMar 25, 201751 votes

I also became 100% more Canadian overnight.

SSShutTheDuckUpMar 25, 201714 votes

I assume you are 100% Canadian, so Meddler is 1% not 0? (Sorry, support main here, I have experience in multiplying zeros)

RiotRiot MapleNectarMar 25, 201725 votes

haha :P I think he may actually be closer to the 0%, but maybe his amount of Canadian is actually an asymptote

SSShutTheDuckUpMar 25, 20171 votes

haha :D

YoungSirJ0eyMar 27, 20171 votes

No, Meddler would have to be 50% Canadian. Were he 1% Canadian, it'd be 10000% more Canadian.

SSShutTheDuckUpMar 27, 20171 votes

Damn, I knew I had to pay more attention to Canadian percentage class back in school!

SpecterVonBarenMar 26, 20172 votes

Wow... does it feel any different being Canadian now? I've never been Canadian.

MangelinaJolieMar 25, 20175 votes

But what if she builds crit, uses the empowered auto and doesn't get a crit?

CithriaCMar 25, 20173 votes

It will still use the crit animation

JbelsMar 25, 20174 votes

I can't wait for this change. I think People will start fitting ArchAngel Staff into their builds with Lich bane, it'll be crazy

morris1Mar 25, 20175 votes

Just like Thresh's passive it's not nearly important enough to actually make you want to focus on it too much.

JbelsMar 25, 20177 votes

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Just like Thresh's passive it's not nearly important enough to actually make you want to focus on it too much.

If the passive affects towers, I definitely think splitpush Lissandra with Lich Bane will be a thing

YoungSirJ0eyMar 27, 20171 votes

It does. I checked.

CatastropMar 25, 20171 votes

Well yeah, however it does open up a plethora of build paths on her.

CatastropMar 25, 20171 votes

Same, I can't wait for someone test item 3025 on her. If it does change the damage from physical to magic, then I could see some really nice build diversity coming our way.

RuPaulMar 25, 20171 votes

Galio's passive does change it, so I'm assuming Lissandra's will too

SpoofghoulMar 25, 20172 votes

yep already got a build in mind

item 3020 item 3078 item 3042 item 3027 item 3065 item 3153

CatastropMar 25, 20171 votes

Nice, I think I'll try a more tanky ap variation of this. Basically just subbing TF and Bork for IBG and Void.

SpoofghoulMar 25, 20171 votes

well that could work especially ibg

but some form of atatckspeed is needed to fucntion with muramana

gota get them procs to deal damage and heal from rods passive

CatastropMar 25, 20172 votes

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gota get them procs to deal damage and heal from rods passive

RoA's heal procs on Muramana? Now that sounds spicy, definitely have to try that.

YoungSirJ0eyMar 27, 20171 votes

It actually doesn't convert Muramana's passive, for some reason.

SteelMankindMar 26, 20171 votes

I can see Lichbane being good, but I feel lile Archangels will just be waaaay too much mana. Sure, you'll get extra AP from Archangels passive, but Lissandra doesnt need 4k mana.

ShadòwMar 25, 20172 votes

w8 Liss has a crit animation?

CithriaCMar 25, 20171 votes

Every champion has one

Umbra IoniaMar 25, 20172 votes

Even singed has one.

SerpentailMar 26, 20172 votes

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Even singed has one.

Wait a second. Why would Singed have an autoattack animation if you don't autoattack with him?

HahahahyenaMar 26, 20172 votes

singed

wait, thats the champion's name? i thought it was cloud of noxious fumes

ShadòwMar 26, 20172 votes

http://i.imgur.com/Br00TCn.gif?noredirect

h5LYF41LamMar 25, 20172 votes

the empowered auto doesnt sound like great idea the way it was introduced. most champions have more mr than armor and the benefit from the passive on the autoattack is too small,the "empowered" autoattack might end up being not so empowered until the late game.

HahahahyenaMar 25, 20171 votes

imo itll be better for the +3 mana than the +1 auto damage i really dont see lissandra being auto attack based

CatastropMar 25, 20173 votes

Then you've never played Lissandra. Auto attacks are an important source of damage early to mid game because of her poor damage values at those points. Which is the main reason I really like this change, it nicely enhances her playstyle while opening a plethora of build diversity without outright buffing her too much.

HahahahyenaMar 26, 20171 votes

not what i meant. i dont see her PRIMARILY a auto attacker. yeah lich bane is gonna be good on her but i dont see it as a core for her, she'll still be an ability oriented mage. being in auto attack range as liss is jsut asking for an ability to the face

fyii have her mastery 5 so...

BluePolarizerMar 26, 20171 votes

which is why I think the build with most potential could be an AD bruiser build with 1 damage item and 5 tank items lol.

YoungSirJ0eyMar 27, 20172 votes

Uh, no? Precisely 0 champions have more MR than armor level 18 save Thresh, who doesn't count because of his passive, every ranged champ (also Kassadin and Yasuo) has more armor than MR by level 6, and most by level 4, and every melee champ has more armor than MR by level 8. You're just wrong.

ugin1617Mar 25, 20172 votes

It's nice to see some more love for Lissandra , it's been awhile

ThanksNoobNoobMar 26, 20172 votes

I know the changes are tentative, but I hope that if the passive rework stays that the passive animation (the shining light thing on her headpiece) will still be used for when she has an empowered attack ready. Either that or just have it always active.