Season 6 will be another Tank meta??!! WHY?!

SymbolicFear·Nov 11, 2015·2 votes·10,293 views

Okay, so after reading all the patch notes for 5.22 I could just tell that this could be the worst season of league yet... The removal of armor pen... seriously.... just why would you do that?! If you were gonna take out armor pen, then nerf armor extra hard. Otherwise, we are in for a second consecutive tank meta. It doesn't matter that the ADCs are getting buffs, cause they will just get stomped by the tanks since they can't use armor pen anymore. Plus, why is Riot increasing the prices on everything, while reducing its effectiveness? AP champions are gonna become much less viable if this isn't rectified. Which is a crime against all players if you ask me.

Before I rant anymore, post your comments below on what you think will be the outcome of this patch and what could be included in near future patches.

27 Comments

RalanrNov 11, 20152 votes

A lot of the armor pen items have been made to penetrate bonus armor. Which is what all armor items give unless they upgrade your base.

Chill man. Even if it is another "Tank" meta don't be worried. Vayne breaks tanks better now.

SymbolicFearNov 11, 20151 votes

So, it will be the same as before except Vayne will be a necessity, that's even worse.

RalanrNov 11, 20152 votes

No, no, no. Tanks aren't going to dominate. Plus Vayne now has a harder time dealing with non-tanks.

Look either chill and see what happens or panic, complain, and not play. Really what good can come from panic?

SymbolicFearNov 11, 20151 votes

Its not that I am panicing, its that league has just been depressing with the direction its been going all year. They keep doing more and more and are making things worse each and every time. Im just stating my concerns and aggervation with 5.22. I will still play, until riot completely butchers the game at least....

DarthFantasiaMar 28, 20161 votes

We saw. And it is a tank meta.

RalanrMar 28, 20161 votes

It's more of a damage meta. Tanks mitigate damage, but they aren't really dominating. Rather, heavy counters to ADC's are common, which is assassins. This leads to tanks for peel.

I don't know if this is a class meta.

DarthFantasiaMay 2, 20161 votes

It is more of a tank meta than anything else. They are even introducing new tank shredding items because of it. Tanks counter adcs and assassins.

BuddzahMay 2, 20161 votes

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So, it will be the same as before except Vayne will be a necessity, that's even worse.

In the end even tho people disagreed with you you were right about everything in this post because its happening now and its the most frustrating meta ever.

DreadlocksNov 11, 20152 votes

I think you arn't looking at the whole picture. Armor pen wasn't removed, LW is just aimed to fight tanks instead of always being cost effective no matter what. AP champions will actually do damage to turrets now with auto attacks. The game now starts sooner and you passively gain more gold per second. Their are just too many variables to say "tank meta" If anything its ADC meta.

HaIlMonitorNov 11, 20151 votes

They made LW armor pen almost not worth it. Some people did the math and to be the "same," the enemy needs 600+ armor. So yeah it will help vs really tanky teams but overall will be kind of pointless. I do agree with you it is an ADC meta when they still 4 shot tanks anyways with 800+ crits lol

DreadlocksNov 11, 20151 votes

Well Last Whisper is definitely going to be for auto attackers trying to punish tanks. Perhaps ignoring armor its not "as good" ill take your word on the 600+ armor thing. But they now have the ability to apply grievous wounds and or deal bonus damage to targets that have more max HP.

So maybe not directly as strong, but has more options. And fuck man, last whisper only costs 1300 gold now, which as an ADC whos been stacking crit all game, is a quick pick up when they need to start dealing with high armor opponents.

SymbolicFearNov 11, 20152 votes

LW has become much less effective and useful for a very wide variety of champions such as Jayce which needed Last Whisper to be viable. AP Champions are trading their roles as spell casters for turret takers??!! That's stupid and shouldn't even be thought of. And after looking at all the said "Variables" I can say without a doubt that its going to be tank meta again. As armor has gotten a massive buff from this last patch.

DreadlocksNov 11, 20151 votes

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LW has become much less effective and useful for a very wide variety of champions such as Jayce which needed Last Whisper to be viable. AP Champions are trading their roles as spell casters for turret takers??!! That's stupid and shouldn't even be thought of. And after looking at all the said "Variables" I can say without a doubt that its going to be tank meta again. As armor has gotten a massive buff from this last patch.

I don't see tanks being very effective vs ADCs anymore. Maybe as a distraction, but as an actual damage threat. No. With the crit mastery,

Warlord's Bloodlust DRINK THEIR BLOOD Critical strikes heal you for 15% of the damage dealt and grant you 20% increased attack speed for 4 seconds COOLDOWN 2 seconds

and Death's Dance, I seriously dont see how tanks are going to be much of a threat with that shit. Oh and PD.. cant forget the new PD passive.

I do 100% agree with you on the Jayce point though, that is going to hurt hardcore.

SymbolicFearNov 11, 20152 votes

The reason the tanks and juggernauts will still be dominating are because the way they are now, they can delete ADCs. Unless the tank/juggernaut is stupid, all it takes is a bush or a flash to instantly jump on the enemy ADC and insta-kill them.

EndlessSorcererNov 11, 20151 votes

For some reason, I get the impression that you are confusing fighters/juggernauts with tanks.

SymbolicFearNov 11, 20152 votes

Any champion, I do not care who, that builds less than 2 AD items and the rest tank items, are tanks. So yes, that includes Garen and Darius. Building one AD item change anything in that regard...

EndlessSorcererNov 11, 20151 votes

That's not how it works actually; building defensive items just means that they are durable.

Tanks are typically picked for their utility and CC while fighters/juggernauts are picked primarily for their damage. Some champions straddle the line between the two and which role they fulfill depends on how they are built and played.

As a few examples:

Dr Mundo, Irelia, and Shyvana are fighters, not a tanks, because they do not provide significant utility to their team but deal a significant amount of damage.
Nautilus, Sejuani, and Maokai are tanks, not fighters, since they primarily provide CC and durability but not damage.
Jarvan, Cho'gath, and Rek'sai can be either depending on how they are built and played.

DreadlocksNov 12, 20151 votes

If you are still struggling as hard as u did in season 5 to survive as an ADC then its on you, not the game. Riot has given ADCs many more ways to deal with assassins and bruisers this patch.

DarthFantasiaMar 28, 20161 votes

Well, it's season 6 and you are wrong. It's the tank meta.

DreadlocksMar 28, 20161 votes

Ignorant much? Tanks are the only ones durable enough to take a hit from ADCs hence why most pro games have 2-3 ADCs and 2-3 Tanks.

DarthFantasiaMay 2, 20161 votes

Ignorant much? Pro games usually have 1-2 adcs, a mage, and 2-3 tanks.

DarthFantasiaMay 2, 20161 votes

Ignorant much? Pro games usually have 1-2 adcs, a mage, and 2-3 tanks. That is why they are introducing new tank shredding items.

psychostabileNov 11, 20151 votes

dude we got better last whisper, yea the item itself is now worse, but its like 1/2 gold and builds into items that are 100% better then last whisper at shreding or being anti sustain tank (munco, zac, other tanks that live through healing) if you didnt notice their % armor pen is higher then old last whisper, 1/2 of Corki AA damage is magic now, KogMaw buffs, Vayne still does % max hp true dmg, and now that Caitlyn has ammo on her only good cc she will be hard as shit to catch.

not to mention most of the tank items got increased costs slowing down the tanks/ juggs from getting unkillable to fast.

SymbolicFearNov 11, 20151 votes

We didn't get a better last whisper, cause think about champions like Jayce, who need that 33% armor pen to be viable, not BONUS armor pen. With the removal of armor pen like that, it completely deletes entire playstyles with many champions and that is a massive issue. With the new last whisper, yes they add some new playstyles, but not as many as they are taking away.

DarthFantasiaMar 28, 20161 votes

Vayne's early game is also one of the hardest in the game, and it is still the tank meta.

psychostabileMay 31, 20161 votes

that has more to do with her lane opponents having longer range, cc or just better early game power. and it has little to do with the previlance of tanks in jungle/top lane. she as always been high risk high reward much like kog where one needs a baby sitter until they become late game terrors