Enchantment: Bloodrazor is Boring...

PalPlays·Apr 20, 2016·2 votes·2,445 views

It's also NOT a good design change. Putting the Phantom Hit onto Guinsoo's arms Vayne for a two-hit Silver Bolt proc, top and mid Kayle for an unrivaled powerspike on a first item, and Kog'Ma to spike even harder. Please, Riot, please revert these changes. Devourer and Guinsoo's were never overpowered, it was just that certain champions' ratios were overtuned due to the scarcity of stats that benefitted them. Turn back some of those stats, and you'll see that these items are very fair.

15 Comments

Sniper 0Apr 20, 20162 votes

Until they make it 4th shot for range again? Excited to get this on kindred. I've been looking to pick her up and it seems like a fun item. PLUS a lot of dev dependent junglers will now have healthier gameplay patterns. Farming the jg for stacks is not a remotely healthy mechanic.

ModWulf HelhammerApr 20, 20161 votes

Don't buy Guinsoo's on kindred. Just don't. They have no AP scalings, better AS options in other items, and the phantom hit isn't worth 3600 gold

Sniper 0Apr 20, 20161 votes

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Don't buy Guinsoo's on kindred. Just don't. They have no AP scalings, better AS options in other items, and the phantom hit isn't worth 3600 gold

Was talking about the razor lol. Sorry haha, my string of thought was a little off. Kindred is about early pressure. I know how that goes. :O

tbh I'm a garbage kindred, I would love someone to teach me xD

ModWulf HelhammerApr 20, 20161 votes

Whoop, misread your comment

Sniper 0Apr 20, 20161 votes

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Whoop, misread your comment

I worded it very poorly. xD

AthenasVendettaApr 20, 20161 votes

simple maths dude... 3% at level 1 is about 25 damage... this is more broken.

TheRealBazApr 20, 20161 votes

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simple maths dude... 3% at level 1 is about 25 damage... this is more broken.

as physical damage

ModWulf HelhammerApr 20, 20161 votes

No smart Vayne is going to be buying Guinsoo's, not to mention that it no longer has the AoE, making it less appealing to Kog'Maw as well

AnnoxisApr 28, 20161 votes

In the case of Kog'Max, losing the AoE for an double on-hit proc every other attack seem like a really good-tradeoff.

NekusenApr 20, 20161 votes

Balanced *

Son HanumanApr 20, 20161 votes

You sir or madam, speak a commendable amount of horse-shit. Not to offend he reasons you listed are REASONS those two items needed to be removed from the game; it was never intended for Vayne to be able to jungle and proc her w after two hits to do % max hp true damage on every other auto, nor is it healthy that Kayle and Kog'Maw had UNRIVALED power spikes from purchasing the a single hybrid item. 30/40 AD/AP isn't bad for base stats and actually is rather weak for the amount of gold it costs; however the fact that it stacks up to give raw stats of 64% AS, 54 AD, and 72 AP for a mere 2800 gold by stacking it on minions while farming and basically allows for hybrid scaling tiamat passive that can be procced through ranged auto attacks is not a healthy item at all. ROA, a primary AP item, gives only 10 more AP at base and takes a full 10 minutes to stack while being 200 gold more expensive; the AD it gives is on par with Maw of Malmortius which costs an extra 400 gold; and it gives the HIGHEST attack speed buff out of ALL the items in the entire game. Frankly they should tone it back even more, rework it (again...HEAVILY), or remove it from the game completely.

SithesisLordApr 20, 20161 votes

Kayle doesn´t rush Guinsoo's first. Never did and unless it starts giving 20% CDR, never will. Whoever does is playing her wrong and building her even more wrong.

Bloodrazor is fine. Might just be the only AS jungle items in AGES that is actually balanced. Guinsoo's is also fine. Because stacks were reduced by 2 and even melee champions now only get one stack.

Overall, i like these changes. It´ll slowly bring Kayle back to a decent spot in a jungle without having her be overwhelming like during the release Sated Devourer days. And it´ll do a lot to affect both her winrate, bringing her down at least 5%, and reduce her playrate because people will QQ that their freelo is less freelo and therefore stop playing her.

I´m calling it now. Come 6.9, Kayle's pick rate will plummet back to 1.5%, maybe even lower.

PalPlaysApr 28, 20161 votes

She doesn't get it first NOW, but she can and most likely will from here on out.

SithesisLordApr 28, 20161 votes

Yeah, no. She needs the CDR from Stinger first. Even if she's going 1 CDR/level quint and 9 CDR/level glyphs.

And let´s not forget that anyone who builds Guinsoo's 6.9 onward will be wasting 1000 gold. Because recurve bow's AS is lost on the final item.

ZeroleraApr 28, 20161 votes

I disagree the fact that the phantom hit only starts occurring after you hit 6 times with guinsoo ensures that jax, xin, vayne, yi etc... don't get the power spike of being able to proc their 3 hit abilities in 2 as soon as the battle starts.