Is a Wukong rework something Riot has even discussed?

ChasmOfTrossm·Mar 12, 2018·41 votes·9,372 views

We never, ever receive any news pertaining to Wukong whatsoever, and it is fucking distressing for someone like me loves to play the champ and owns all but one of his skins (Radiant Wukong) to be virtually unable to play this champion in the shitty tank meta. I do not believe the new bruiser keystone will be particularly great on him as Wukong has always been more burst oriented, and less sustained damage, though he can do so with the right build (which is impossible to achieve because late game never comes).

Despite being an armor shredder, he is still, and never will be a tank shredder like his counter-parts J4 and Vi who at least have some form of %hp shred (J4 passive and Vi W)

Please, Riot, give me something. Tell me you at least have Wukong in your thoughts, because even that doesn't seem to be the case. He feels like a forgotten champion similar what Urgot, Yorick, and Aatrox (to a lesser extent) were for the longest time, and I am starting to reach my tipping point.

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Trash MammaIMar 12, 201821 votes

You think being able to instantly 1 shot the enemy adc and (usually) mid laner at the same time is being useless? He gets duskblade and snowballs retardedly hard. Wukong is fine, too strong i'd go as far as to say, luckily duskblade is gettting nerfed. He works far too well with lethality idk what you're talking about.

I always snowball in my games with him and just dick around cause of how far ahead I am and how easy the game is with him

TotalJerkMar 12, 20183 votes

All he does is damage. He contributes nothing else to a team.

PokladnicaZlaMar 12, 201815 votes

AoE knock up . . .

Sp33d Zer0Mar 12, 20184 votes

Typically used solely as a burst tool and not the teamfighting 5 man knockup it was used for in s3/s4

Yaśuo MainMar 12, 20186 votes

a damage over time can be used as a burst tool, which is totally a better usage than a multiple knockup.

big boi edriMar 12, 20181 votes

If you need the ult to kill the ADC, it’s much better used to finish him off.

Best case scenario of course, finishing off the carry while ulting 2 other people at the same time. Can’t always work out that way though.

DeusVultMar 13, 20183 votes

because typically the wu dies during the ult after he has knocked up 1-2 people, or the entire enemy team dies during it. There is 0 in between.

Full AD Wu isnt a healthy playstyle IMO, he either kills his target(s) or dies. 1/100 times he will land the perfect ult and melt the entire other team

SalsonMar 12, 201818 votes

Wu's playstyle is horribly feast-or-famine. He can oneshot or feed, there it very little in between.

A rework should actually make a 0/5 Wu stronger and a 5/0 Wu weaker...or at least give him decent counterplay.

Dr PoroMar 13, 20184 votes

I disagree. I've played wukong as my main champ since season 3. Even if you get behind very hard in lane, you're still useful in teamfights with your ult. You just have to adjust your build. Compared to other assassins (because that's what wukong is nowadays), he's the least feast-or-famine of them all. He's something between assassin and bruiser and I love that.

I think if bruiser builds get better (and duskblade weaker), he can pick them up again.

option paralysisMar 12, 20187 votes

[{quoted}](name=Simple Tora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=okaG3ahw,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-03-12T18:20:48.746+0000)

You think being able to instantly 1 shot the enemy adc and (usually) mid laner at the same time is being useless? He gets duskblade and snowballs retardedly hard. Wukong is fine, too strong i'd go as far as to say, luckily duskblade is gettting nerfed. He works far too well with lethality idk what you're talking about.

I always snowball in my games with him and just dick around cause of how far ahead I am and how easy the game is with him

youre gold 4 and you have 2 wukong games. In low elo wukong can be overwhelming but anything higher, it's torture to play him. You keep saying it's so easy to one shot with lethality, but what you're not saying how you get to that point. Top lane you get destroyed by almost any match up, jungle you get invaded by everyone and when will you build that lethality ? in 40 mins games ? well too bad most games end in 20 mins in diamond.

brôncoMar 12, 20182 votes

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youre gold 4 and you have 2 wukong games. In low elo wukong can be overwhelming but anything higher, it's torture to play him. You keep saying it's so easy to one shot with lethality, but what you're not saying how you get to that point. Top lane you get destroyed by almost any match up, jungle you get invaded by everyone and when will you build that lethality ? in 40 mins games ? well too bad most games end in 20 mins in diamond.

I think it really depends, your early game jungle clear is actually not bad if you go W level 2 ( which I am assuming you do ) I don't typically find myself getting invaded, I can actually usually counterjungle the enemy depending on their pick, maybe you and me play this champion in a different style,

as for top lane, I think he does have some bad matchups just against OP meta tank champions like darius, if I were to play wukong top as of recent I ban darius just because you really can't win that lane without jungle presence, but again I think it really comes down to playstyle and taking good trades,

I think I can agree that he is not as easy to win with as meta champions like fiora or camille etc but I also don't think he is as underwhelming as you and the OP make him out to be,

I mean the OP is making this post because he lost a game at 900 elo after building frozen heart on wukong and he is getting showered with upvotes which makes me really question what these people on the boards know about the champion

Sun Wu RyuumokuMar 13, 20181 votes

I think it really depends, your early game jungle clear is actually not bad if you go W level 2 ( which I am assuming you do ) I don't typically find myself getting invaded

i think its more related to your elo.... but when someone assume x champ is weak u should always think for high elo,

as for top lane, I think he does have some bad matchups just against OP meta tank champions like darius, if I were to play wukong top as of recent I ban darius just because you really can't win that lane without jungle presence, but again I think it really comes down to playstyle and taking good trades,

at low elo (plat include) u can win against darius. Darius isnt a tank btw.

but I also don't think he is as underwhelming

he is, 50% wr with 1 % pickrate for simple champ like wu even under gold is very weak.

I mean the OP is making this post because he lost a game at 900 elo after building frozen heart on wukong and he is getting showered with upvotes which makes me really question what these people on the boards know about the champion

just look at this

We never, ever receive any news pertaining to Wukong whatsoever, and it is fucking distressing for someone like me loves to play the champ and owns all but one of his skins (Radiant Wukong) to be virtually unable to play this champion in the shitty tank meta.

was enough for me, he can't play Wukong at very, very low elo and speak nonsens about skins, meta tanks...

Trash MammaIMar 13, 20184 votes

All these people spouting ranked need to get their head out of their asses. I INTENTIONALLY stay gold. I have no reason to nor do I want to be any higher. I get the skins that's the only reason I play ranked.
Stop using Op.gg like it tells you anything about a player. I'm mastery 7 with Wu, if you can get mastery 7 with a champ in 2 games then wow, you are badass.
E Q AA W eletrocute burst is half an hp bar at level 3. If your doing 0 damage in lane and have no chance of killing. You roam. Invade jungle or go mid or go bot. If you're building full lethality on Wukong you want to be an asssassin. Assassin's are NOT supposed to be able to kill tanks. (which aren't OP and the boards retarded circle jerk never ceases to amaze me) your job is to kill the carries and remove their ability to take objectives.

I Main SwainMar 13, 20182 votes

simple tora used sound logic and reasoning! its not very effective...

NemeBroMar 12, 20183 votes

[{quoted}](name=Simple Tora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=okaG3ahw,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-03-12T18:20:48.746+0000)

You think being able to instantly 1 shot the enemy adc and (usually) mid laner at the same time is being useless? He gets duskblade and snowballs retardedly hard. Wukong is fine, too strong i'd go as far as to say, luckily duskblade is gettting nerfed. He works far too well with lethality idk what you're talking about.

I always snowball in my games with him and just dick around cause of how far ahead I am and how easy the game is with him

Tell me more about how effective Wukong is in your low gold games and how this is indicative of him being "too strong".

PoskeMar 12, 20184 votes

Wukong is a troll pick curently in high elo... a Man has right to rant about wukong

A champion has no personality tho. HE is just Anime whatever goku wonnabe or some shit... How the fk should his abilities even look like

Sun Wu RyuumokuMar 13, 20185 votes

HE is just Anime whatever goku wonnabe or some shit...

are you high ?

I Main SwainMar 12, 20182 votes

i was thinking the same thing, wukong is honestly too strong if anything. i play him occasionally and every time without fail im awed by how stupidly broken assassin wukong is. i can legit 2 shot people with an e q with nothing but dark harvest as my keystone and duskblade and rav. once you get ghostblade you can stealth in from the fog of war and kill someone without them being able to do anything. he has strong early game, mid game, and late game damage, hes not too squishy, he has a really good kit and his w is honestly one of the best basic abilities in the game imo.

big boi edriMar 12, 20182 votes

His W is terrible for everything but engaging and blocking a skill shot, his early game is terrible unless you mean level 2/3 against a few champs, his mid game is good if they don't have a Alistar, Janna, Lulu, any other disengage or shield, he is squishy if built damage, like... do you even really play him?

I Main SwainMar 13, 20181 votes

yes i do, in fact he was my main jungler for a couple years, and if you think thats all his w is good for youre playing him wrong. if you think his early game is terrible except at the very very start aside from only a few champs youre playing him wrong

big boi edriMar 13, 20181 votes

Please explain how his W is so good when its telegraphed every time you use it?

Please explain how is early game is so great when he has no shields, sustain, high mana costs and has to lane 100% perfect to not fall behind 90% of the top lane roster?

You obviously didn't main him because you don't have a clue. His lane is shit, his W is shit.

I Main SwainMar 13, 20181 votes

no you obviously dont know how to play wukong properly lol. his w, which includes pretending to use his w, has so much potential. with enough ms (which isnt hard to get with a normal assassin wukong build) you can w in and kill someone from the fog of war. you can use his w to block skill shots, to make them panic waste abilities by engaging and then disengaging with w, juke, etc. you can use it for so much stuff. his w is only telegraphed when you use it either when you have to in order to escape or when youre not using it properly. this is exactly like all the people who have been saying swain is useless. he's not useless, hes actually stupid powerful, people just dont know how to play him to his full potential.

guess what? a champion doesnt need to have shields, sustain, or low mana costs to do well in lane. guess what? you dont have to play wukong top and one might argue that hes much more effective mid lane. guess what? you can deal a ton of damage to your enemy laner almost no matter who they are with short engages pre 6 AND post 6. guess what? there are only a few champions that wukong just flat out struggles against in lane. seriously dude, not only did i play him a TON a while back but i still play him from time to time currently and if you think his lane and his w are bad then youre doing something wrong. the ONLY thing that could be given some love with his kit is his passive.

big boi edriMar 13, 20181 votes

His W is telegraphed, anyone who has seen him before can tell when it is actually used. His animation gives it away no matter when you use it. Engaging from the fog of war, and blocking skill shots I listed previously.

But I’ll take it back, you’re right it does have another use. You can use it in a bush. Awesommmmme.

Mid lane is a cheese pick, and top lane yeah he can trade in short burst, but it does matter that he has no shields or sustain and high mana costs. Why? Because every meta top laner has sustain, shields, or the almighty ninja Tabi. You can not effectively trade without literally outplaying your opponent throughout the entire lane phase. His kit does not have the tools in this meta, and he gets cucked by boots. If you’re opponent is playing 80% of the top lane roster and is evenly skilled, he’s got the upper hand.

As stated before though, yeh I think he’s fine in Bronze/Silver/Gold. But the higher you go, the more worthless he becomes.

Sun Wu RyuumokuMar 12, 20182 votes

Wukong isn't even fine at low elo. WTf is this BS ???

if players have brain they build tabi, and Wukong become useless (an malphite low cost).

u play him in normal game... irrevelant.

Zèbre teutoniqueJan 8, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Trash MammaI,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=okaG3ahw,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-03-12T18:20:48.746+0000)

You think being able to instantly 1 shot the enemy adc and (usually) mid laner at the same time is being useless? He gets duskblade and snowballs r%%%%%edly hard. Wukong is fine, too strong i'd go as far as to say, luckily duskblade is gettting nerfed. He works far too well with lethality idk what you're talking about.

I always snowball in my games with him and just dick around cause of how far ahead I am and how easy the game is with him

Dude, you play wukong in gold, try him in jungle at D3 elo, idk if you will tell the same thing ! ^^

vunillaJun 4, 20191 votes

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Trash MammaIJun 5, 20191 votes

{quoted}

Are you a fucking donut?

As you reply to a YEAR old comment..yea I'M the donut here sir

InfernapeMar 12, 20187 votes

I do believe that he's a gameplay update candidate. And by that I mean an update in the same vein as Xin Zhao and Rek'Sai. He was meant to be updated in a diver update, but Riot cancelled class updates after the tanks. Since then, they updated, Xin, Rek'Sai, and Azir and are going to update Aatrox fairly soon™.

I Eat ĄssMar 12, 20183 votes

He needs a new passive and thats it.

Also his Q is a percent armor shred

NemeBroMar 12, 20183 votes

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He needs a new passive and thats it.

Also his Q is a percent armor shred

No, what he needs is the ability to lane against tanks and other fighters. His early game is atrocious.

Sun Wu RyuumokuMar 13, 20183 votes

his whole kit is bad

SpecterVonBarenMar 13, 20181 votes

Turn his Q into his passive. Give him a new Q.

Evil YasuoMar 13, 20181 votes

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He needs a new passive and thats it.

Also his Q is a percent armor shred

I feel like this is the case for me. His kit is already very representative of the monkey king.

option paralysisMar 12, 20183 votes

you lasted a long time my friend. I stopped playing him 2 years ago in ranked. I do have all of his skins, but it's such a chore playing him. Pick any tank/bruiser top lane and you lose. Anyone can invade you in the jungle and you lose. In a teamfight 1 exhaust is needed and you lose, or just a competent support. I'd welcome any rework they have on him.

big boi edriMar 12, 20182 votes

They’d mentioned him several times in multiple posts, however unfortunately it looks like while he is a rework candidate, he’s not as far up in line as some others.

I mean in Bronze/Silver/Gold he works fine, they say he falls off hard the higher the league however. That said, his lane phase is atroacious and I feel returning his Q to 30% shred at all ranks would allow a bearable lane phase and keep him relevant until a rework.

Outside of that though currently he’s really just feast or famine. You can go tanky and offer nothing but an ult, or you can build damage and try to get ahead to 1 shot carries. Most people go for the latter obviously since nobody likes being dead weight.

One thing they did note though (which falls in line with the comments here) is that he can seem very strong in low leagues, and terrible in higher leagues. Prob why they’re hesitant to touch him.

Sun Wu RyuumokuMar 13, 20182 votes

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They’d mentioned him several times in multiple posts, however unfortunately it looks like while he is a rework candidate, he’s not as far up in line as some others.

I mean in Bronze/Silver/Gold he works fine, they say he falls off hard the higher the league however. That said, his lane phase is atroacious and I feel returning his Q to 30% shred at all ranks would allow a bearable lane phase and keep him relevant until a rework.

not even true https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/gold/champion/MonkeyKing/Top/ https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/silver/champion/MonkeyKing/Top/ https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/bronze/champion/MonkeyKing/Top/

big boi edriMar 13, 20181 votes

All I saw were a bunch of 50-51% win rates on those links. That’s fine?

Sun Wu RyuumokuMar 13, 20181 votes

thats not fine, look the pickrate. mean he's only played by otp/mains. And they barely make his wr positive.

Altonius AmakiirMar 12, 20182 votes

They had said quite a while ago(some time late summer, early fall last year I think) that they wanted to do a gameplay update for him, and that they planned to do one sometime this year. Although they emphasized tentativeness on that plan. So it is possible that it could get pushed as far back as around midseason next year.

I get your pain though, I really never saw anything past that like 2-3 sentence response about him. And currently I've been trying in vain to get some infor on the Item Set Tool for nearly 9 months now. Good luck!

DivewingMar 13, 20182 votes

Answer: Yes, currently in the "fuck which one needs it more" space iirc

bloodyoafsNov 9, 20182 votes

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We never, ever receive any news pertaining to Wukong whatsoever, and it is fucking distressing for someone like me loves to play the champ and owns all but one of his skins (Radiant Wukong) to be virtually unable to play this champion in the shitty tank meta. I do not believe the new bruiser keystone will be particularly great on him as Wukong has always been more burst oriented, and less sustained damage, though he can do so with the right build (which is impossible to achieve because late game never comes).

Despite being an armor shredder, he is still, and never will be a tank shredder like his counter-parts J4 and Vi who at least have some form of %hp shred (J4 passive and Vi W)

Please, Riot, give me something. Tell me you at least have Wukong in your thoughts, because even that doesn't seem to be the case. He feels like a forgotten champion similar what Urgot, Yorick, and Aatrox (to a lesser extent) were for the longest time, and I am starting to reach my tipping point.

Please please please give wukong a rework. he's so lame at late game. !! and i love playing wukong as character

bloodyoafsMar 8, 20192 votes

rework wukong. MonkeyKing I would gladly see Wukong being a playable champ

Z3SleeperMar 13, 20181 votes

Slap on a new damage passive, rework W a bit to make the damage more reliable, maybe Q too cuz it's so basic and then nerf E damage to spread out his burst.

Wukong was made in a time where Assassins oneshotting in 0.1 second was okay. Today that's not okay, and that's why he's kept weak since all his damage comes out in 0.1 second.

SpecterVonBarenMar 13, 20181 votes

Wukong is a victim of his own success is the problem. While he has issues, none of them are toxic enough (Like old Poppy) or underwhelming enough (Like Aatrox) to make him a high priority for Riot. This doesn't mean he's not in need of changes, but he's also not causing any immediate problems to game health.

Take hope though, the fact that they put Irelia on the list means that they probably have gotten through their long list of champs that need reworks as soon as possible and have moved on to the next tier of champs in need of work.

Blue Moon WolfMar 13, 20181 votes

Riot has spoken on Wukong recently, Meddler even said he is the most discussed champ when it comes to champs who over perform in low elo but under perform in high elo

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/YdirowFc-quick-gameplay-thoughts-february-16?comment=00190005

I'm not sure exactly how close he is to a rework, but he's at least discussed Wukong's current state and that they do want to update him. The way I read it, it sounds to me Riot thinks of him in pretty much the same boat as Aatrox in terms of how much they wish to update, which according to Reav3, seems to be even getting a minor model tweak, new animations to go with his updated kit and a some new VO.

ShishouMattMar 13, 20181 votes

Well is The Master of Wuju is needing buffs, how can he train Wukong to get stronger? MasterYi MonkeyKing

AmWhaleIRLMar 13, 20181 votes

Riot: "What the fuck is a Wukong?"

AK Mr BlondeJun 27, 20181 votes

The only thing wukong needs imo is a friggin passive thats noticable. Other than that i am satisfied where wukong is right now. He never gets banned and hardly gets picked one out of 100 games i might not get him. I feel if riot did a rework on him they would intentionally make him OP and he would either be getting banned or stolen every game, that would be frustrating.

bloodyoafsMar 18, 20191 votes

please rework Wukong , define a role and make him playable in late game