Why was Poppy nerfed when she had a winrate less than 50%?

Elohaven·May 5, 2018·79 votes·18,620 views

She's not even an annoying champion.

146 Comments

2Charmnot2CharmMay 5, 201856 votes

Cause some rioter got stomped by a poppy 1 trick.

YuGiHoMay 5, 201817 votes

Probably the same one that got beat by voli when he got his random nerf a while ago.

saltranMay 5, 20188 votes

Why does the dumbest coment gets the most upvotes? Oh, Gameplay Boards, I've already answered my question.

2Charmnot2CharmMay 6, 20188 votes

Then please enlighten us on the exact reason poppy got nerfed with your infinite wisdom sir.

Before this patch I could have easily picked any other tank and have stronger engage/sustain than poppy while being more reliable with my cc/damage (everything poppy does is conditional), so tell us exactly why of all the top laners in the game poppy is the one getting hit by the nerf bat?

saltranMay 6, 20183 votes

They tried to swicht power from part of her kit that is stat check while buffing her ability to land a good E by good position.

The change overall WAS A NERF and I agree, but I like the direction of the changes and since she is weaker now I hope they get it and revert part of the nerfs or buff more other part of her kit.

But pretending that a rioter was stomped by a Poppy otp and then decided to nerf her is beyond desilusional.

Moon MomMay 6, 20182 votes

Did you guys seriously not read it was due to competitive...? Like gameplay doesn't even read anything jesus.

2Charmnot2CharmMay 6, 201810 votes

it was due to competitive

Which makes no sense because poppy was rarely EVER picked in pro play.

Also where does it say anything about competitive in the patch note? https://i.imgur.com/uDNHW6d.png

sho ayaneMay 6, 20182 votes

She was picked in the League of Legends World Championship Final 2016 by Cuvee of Samsung Galaxy who became runners up that year. Sure afterwards she wasn't picked that much because we are talking about pro play from more than TWO years ago where she was very strong. :)

2Charmnot2CharmMay 6, 20182 votes

And she was nerfed right after at the very beginning of season 7.

Edit: I forgot season 7 started early didn't it? a month or two into season 7 it is then.

sho ayaneMay 6, 20181 votes

She was picked a lot in pro play, then the meta moved on. Which completely explains why Riot aren't completely buffing her in order to prevent her from becoming as strong as she was in the past, in the future. So referring to recent activity in pro play you are correct she was rarely chosen, but that's because we are talking 2016 where she was chosen often. Please be more mindful regarding what you post, in order to minimize the spread of false information, or information that can easily be misunderstood.

Jon 678910May 6, 20182 votes

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She was picked a lot in pro play, then the meta moved on. Which completely explains why Riot aren't completely buffing her in order to prevent her from becoming as strong as she was in the past, in the future. So referring to recent activity in pro play you are correct she was rarely chosen, but that's because we are talking 2016 where she was chosen often. Please be more mindful regarding what you post, in order to minimize the spread of false information, or information that can easily be misunderstood.

At this point I don't even know if you're trolling. Her position in the past does not matter at this point. People aren't even asking for buffs, they are wondering why she was nerfed.

Heck, while we're at it, let's nerf gragas. A few seasons ago he was devastating, and we can't possibly let him get back to being a viable champion.

LibroMastroMay 6, 20183 votes

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Cause some rioter got stomped by a poppy 1 trick.

That's the only reasonable explanation, seriously

ModWulf HelhammerMay 5, 201819 votes

The intent wasn’t to flat out nerf, but to rebalance her. Bring up her power in some areas while reducing it in others. Whether that worked in practice I’ll not be the judge of.

DemesejhaMay 5, 201810 votes

It, didnt work and when poppy mains complained before the nerf as to why it was an issue nothing was done, no attention was paid and they steamrolled ahead, and then theyre going to just reneg later and say "oops poppy was fine haha"

jocomotionMay 5, 20188 votes

It really didn’t, and it was a overall nerf Before Poppy was all about chip trades in lane hitting Q’s to deny CS or chunk of they stood in both explosions, E-Qing into a wall then getting back with W, and using your buckler damage/ shield for short trades, if anything the nerfs (yes they are nerfs) weakened this.

The E range is greater, but getting a good Poppy E usually comes down to how well you position yourself, your enemy, and your wall, and the Movespeed nerfs coupled with the nerf to her W’s movespeed makes it so Poppy can’t maneuver for clever angles of attack. The extra range doesn’t help in most cases because most people don’t position between a wall and Poppy, she needs to reposition herself.

The W Armor/MR nerfs nerfs are just flat nerfs, she’s going to be even less Tanky than before ESPECIALLY in mid to late game.

The ultimate now has a faster misile speed and makes enemies knocked up rather than knocked up and untargetable. These buffs are nothing but putting less skill expression in a powerful ultimate, and a quality of life buff.

So riot removed skill expression and made her weaker.

DysnomiaMay 5, 201818 votes

They nerf. Then they revert changes. It is to create impression of something being improved throughout the patches when it is not.

Somebody Love MeMay 5, 201815 votes

Poppy was only played competitive as a counter to Camille. I don't know why they had to nerf her so weirdly

Timethief49May 5, 201812 votes

She was adjusted, not nerfed. While her w took a hit, the instant ult not making enemys untargetable is actually a bigger buff than some might think.

JbelsMay 5, 201821 votes

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She was adjusted, not nerfed. While her w took a hit, the instant ult not making enemys untargetable is actually a bigger buff than some might think.

No, this was still an overall nerf. The lessened duration of the snapcast knockup means that Poppy doesn't have enough time to get the next Q off cooldown for her all in. Couple that with the movement speed and resistance nerfs on W, and this was a horrendous nerf that makes no sense

Timethief49May 5, 20182 votes

But, but Wombocombo potential [zombie-nunu-tears]

JbelsMay 5, 201824 votes

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But, but Wombocombo potential [zombie-nunu-tears]

Oh hey, look I can play Malphite or Sion or Ornn instead and be 100 times more useful.

sho ayaneMay 6, 20181 votes

You just named 3 tanks easier to play than Poppy, highlighting the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about. Thanks for that :)

JbelsMay 6, 20181 votes

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You just named 3 tanks easier to play than Poppy, highlighting the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about. Thanks for that :)

...What?

sho ayaneMay 7, 20181 votes

Sion, Malpite and Ornn both have lower skill ceilings that Poppy. Nothing else to say, you don't have an argument

JbelsMay 7, 20182 votes

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Sion, Malpite and Ornn both have lower skill ceilings that Poppy. Nothing else to say, you don't have an argument

They have lower skill ceilings...and are still more useful than Poppy in most situations... Look, I know it gives you personal satisfaction to let your superiority complex run rampant on an internet forum, but you can only act like you're right about everything for so long before everyone realizes you don't actually have a clue about this shit and are just being a dick

warpenguin555May 5, 20189 votes

Normally I'd click these threads to say "because ____ was a top LCS pick", and normally that's the case. But Poppy hasn't been getting played much in any region. I have no idea why she got nerfed, it makes no sense

BALDG1VEN BOOMERMay 5, 20185 votes

Some Draven and Twitch mains uploaded a video to Reddit then they nerfed her.

saltranMay 5, 20182 votes

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Some Draven and Twitch mains uploaded a video to Reddit then they nerfed her.

BALDG1VEN BOOMERMay 5, 20181 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xn5E-G81FY

And

https://youtu.be/MU1BTD2mj24

ModWulf HelhammerMay 5, 201812 votes

Those videos are both from over a year ago.

BALDG1VEN BOOMERMay 5, 20181 votes

And after that she was put in the dumpster.

SoryInAdvanceMay 6, 20184 votes

I don't think you understand what anyone is even talking about here.

jocomotionMay 5, 20187 votes

Dude that was when she ACTUALLY WAS BROKEN. They nerfed that a long time ago, like a little after the rework launched. And this is coming from a guy who likes Poppy.

Pika FoxMay 5, 20182 votes

She gets nerfed for the same reason ryze does; shes stupidly good in competitive.

JbelsMay 5, 201816 votes

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She gets nerfed for the same reason ryze does; shes stupidly good in competitive.

Except she isn't? Nobody is picking her in pro play. And why would you? Ornn does everything she does, but better.

Pika FoxMay 5, 20181 votes

Ornn isnt used support, poppy is. (Even if i personally enjoy ornn support)

JbelsMay 5, 201812 votes

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Ornn isnt used support, poppy is. (Even if i personally enjoy ornn support)

That has nothing to do with this. And even if it did, Poppy is beaten out by all of the enchanter supports that are able to poke her out and peel her off. Especially after this nerf

Pika FoxMay 5, 20182 votes

Good thing you literally dont pick her for that. You pick her into dash supports/adcs/jungles. Shes a counter pick.

JbelsMay 5, 20189 votes

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Good thing you literally dont pick her for that. You pick her into dash supports/adcs/jungles. Shes a counter pick.

Either way, her winrate has only gone down this patch compared to the previous one in both top and support. This was still a net nerf to a champion that was already struggling to justify herself on a team

Pika FoxMay 5, 20182 votes

I agree that she feels terrible to play for the average user. I loved poppy on the rework release, and stopped playing her after the ult knockup nerf. Doesnt change that shes situationally extremely powerful at the top tier of skill who abuse the niche parts of her kit.

sho ayaneMay 6, 20181 votes

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Doesnt change that shes situationally extremely powerful at the top tier of skill who abuse the niche parts of her kit.

Kind of like anyone who masters their champion, making your point irrelevant.

Pika FoxMay 7, 20181 votes

Except poppys kit is a full on hardcounter to certain champs/teamcomps. Most other champs cant become hard counters and invalidate a whole teamcomp. Poppys existance makes lee sin/leona/thresh etc a harder pick.

sho ayaneMay 22, 20181 votes

Its not a good enough counter to be relevant. The one champion that you can counter hard enough to be a viable pick is Camille the other champions you have listed can easily beat a Poppy even if the dashes were interrupted, or just bait out the 24 sec w cooldown. Sure the w counters dashes, but doesn't make her strong enough to win lane. I wish picking poppy invalidated certain teamcomps but its not enough sadly :/

Pika FoxMay 22, 20181 votes

It makes her strong enough to easily win lane as a support pick in the right hands. She has so much ADC protection against specific teamcomps with her W, E and R.

sho ayaneMay 23, 20181 votes

Perhaps you are just extremely talented at playing Poppy then to be fair. The w only last 2.5 sec and goes on a 24 second cool down. Almost every dash in the game has a shorter cool down. And sure the e can be used to get someone off your adc, but they the Poppy dies because support Poppy doesn't get enough gold.

You are right with the R though, if you can make a 5v5 a 3v5 you can win the game off that. But only 1% of Poppy players can do that consistently me not included in that.

I'll have to praise you for mastering your champion, Poppy is increadibly weak and you must work much harder than almost every champion in the game to have the same impact. I'm just slightly dissatisfied that Poppy support can win a lane as easy as you claim, but I would need to see evidence of that as it sounds outrageous.

Thanks for your hard work.

Pika FoxMay 23, 20181 votes

I main Leona, not poppy, and am commenting off of high elo/tournament level gameplay not my own.

Ultimately, it doesnt matter if her W has a higher CD than most mobility skills in the game, all that matters is that one lee sin Q failed to connect him to the carry or the leona E got stopped or what have you. All it takes is one to remove all the momentum that the enemy team could have set up, and even moreso if you can get a good counter off it (as it places you right next to poppy, and potentially a wall to stun).

sho ayaneMay 24, 20181 votes

Damn I was actually hoping you knew how to do it so you could let me know so I could try it out. :/

Anyway what you said is true, but it doesn't make Poppy an optimal pick, and she will always be bottom of the barrel and probably will only be chosen when every other tank support is banned, and I would probably pick sejuani instead in that situation. It's not enough, you would have to be a god poppy to break even with an autofilled support Alistair, and that's probably how it will be because Poppy is too hard to effectively balance. Thanks for your hard work.