Damage from little input from the player

miightofdemacia··1 votes·3,003 views

I am here to ask if you guys think it's a good idea for champions to deal so much damage without the player even doing anything? Examples are. Zyra. She has damaging spells with crowd control. But even if you dodge it, you still take damage from the plants so you lose half or more of your health anyway. If you get snared or knocked up and she has a teammate there, you are basically dead as the ally only needs to land an auto attack and ability and you are dead after zyra solo deals a ton of damage. Also, zyra doesnt need a lot of cs to deal damage. This is why support zyras can always do so much damage despite having 10 or less cs.

Zyra is not the only example, I'm sure there are other champs like this. I don't play neeko a lot but one time laning against her at mid, she misses her snare and q thing that procs 3 times on champions because i was side stepping them both, but she autos me, procs arcane comet and i drop down to half hp. Is this supposed to be a good thing? Like yeah I know her one ability is an on hit effect, but why do I lose so much hp from her when she missed so many skillshots on me?

Back in my day, if you miss your skillshot, you are vulnerable and gassed out. Lux would be a great example of this. If you miss your snare, you better just back off because that's your only hard cc. Sure, you have an e slow but it's not gonna stop dashes or master yi's ult so you always want to hold onto your q until you are sure you will land it. If you missed your q and e, your auto attack is not gonna magically drop your opponent down to half hp. I get it, she has a shield so that's not her job. But my point is that if a champ misses their spell, I think she shouldnt be hitting like a truck after missing.

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Cind3rkick1 votes

Wait what if you stand in zyra plants you die? No need to state the obvious.

If a zyra ults you and her plants and an enemy attacks you die? Again... no need to state the obvious or repeat what you just said.

On hit neeko deals high on hit damage? Never knew that.

You also neglect to mention thay without her plants zyra does 0 damage. And that without W, on hit neeko does 0 damage.

miightofdemacia1 votes

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Wait what if you stand in zyra plants you die? No need to state the obvious.

If a zyra ults you and her plants and an enemy attacks you die? Again... no need to state the obvious or repeat what you just said.

On hit neeko deals high on hit damage? Never knew that.

You also neglect to mention thay without her plants zyra does 0 damage. And that without W, on hit neeko does 0 damage.

The problem is not about standing in the plants to die. It's the fact that if 2 or 3 plants get awoken near you, you either have to back off or try to kill them quick with an ally since it takes 2 hits to kill the plant. But meanwhile, if the two or more plants auto you once, it procs zyra's arcane comet or aery and chunks you for a good 200-300 damage. That's with her missing her skillshots on you. If you stand in the plants the damage racks up in the thousands. If you get cced by her because she actually lands her skillshots, you are close to dying or dead.

So the issue is not about dying in her plants. It's the fact that she gets so much damage for missing skillshots, and heavily rewarded for landing them.

miightofdemacia1 votes

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Wait what if you stand in zyra plants you die? No need to state the obvious.

If a zyra ults you and her plants and an enemy attacks you die? Again... no need to state the obvious or repeat what you just said.

On hit neeko deals high on hit damage? Never knew that.

You also neglect to mention thay without her plants zyra does 0 damage. And that without W, on hit neeko does 0 damage.

zyra definitely does damage without her plants. she has spells that do damage. did you not read the op? dont bother commenting if you didnt read it.

Also, neeko does do damage without her on hit spell. her snare and 3 hitting spell as well as her ult. they dont do zero damage. Are you listening to yourself?

This post is about why champs still do damage after missing skillshots. Not tickle damage, but big chunks. They literally make this game have everyone do a lot of damage so unskilled players can get free damage even after missing skillshots.

Cind3rkick1 votes

No you said zyra and neeko missed all their spells.

Did you not read the OP?

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

i mean if you compare lux you really only need to hit the E and an AA to do heavy damage too. and i mean idk how you're missing the E.

zyra isn't gonna take half your hp while missing the root and activating plants. She's barely even gonna do a damned thing cuz root spawns melee plants.

As someone who primarily plays lux in the support position when i play her, she can do the exact same thing and at 6 she doesn't even need her adc to do it. CC=death isn't new either

as for neeko idk how well onhit goes these days but you can just wait a bit out of her aa range most likely

miightofdemacia1 votes

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i mean if you compare lux you really only need to hit the E and an AA to do heavy damage too. and i mean idk how you're missing the E.

zyra isn't gonna take half your hp while missing the root and activating plants. She's barely even gonna do a damned thing cuz root spawns melee plants.

As someone who primarily plays lux in the support position when i play her, she can do the exact same thing and at 6 she doesn't even need her adc to do it. CC=death isn't new either

as for neeko idk how well onhit goes these days but you can just wait a bit out of her aa range most likely

I dont play lux a lot but lots of people i play against cant land skillshots. But if lux misses she cant deal massive damage to me. Meanwhile, neeko and zyra can even after missing their skillshots. There are other champs who probably can do this as well.

I feel like there is no discussion with you considering you called zyra's plants melee and that zyra's plants dont do damage.

It doesnt matter who you primarily play because the fact still stands. You as a lux will not be able to do high damage unless you land your skillshots. So i dont get what your point is.

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