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I bite my tongue while others flame

miightofdemacia··10 votes·5,991 views

I just had a game as lucian with end score of 2/3/3. It's not great but it's not bad. Yet I had a yasuo who said I was useless and did nothing all game. I ask him how was I inting? He says check your score. I'm 2/3 so how is that inting? Meanwhile his last game he was yasuo with score of 5/10. So I don't get why he thinks he can flame people in the first place? Second, what bothers me is he can say a bunch of disrespectful shit to me but I have to bite my tongue and say nothing back because I will get in trouble. I reported him but I highly doubt he would get in trouble but i bet you anything if I had say anything back, I would have gotten a 25 game chat restriction if not temporary ban or permaban. I know nothing is perfect, but that's kind of not right that people can get away like that while I can't.

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GatekeeperTDS4 votes

This isn't just a League thing. Unless you're in some kind of actual danger, biting your tongue while someone else is being an asshole is something that will benefit you in MANY scenarios.

You are 100% going to run into an asshole like this in your job at some point in your life, and being the bigger person is in your best interest. Let assholes be assholes, arguing with them is pointless.

Umbral Regent3 votes

Meanwhile his last game he was yasuo with score of 5/10. So I don't get why he thinks he can flame people in the first place?

The people who are most likely to flame are also generally likely to perform poorer than the people they flame. I'd imagine it has something to do with trying to scrape together some weak sense of pride in trashing other players, but it'll fall apart all over again once they inevitably get punished.

Second, what bothers me is he can say a bunch of disrespectful shit to me but I have to bite my tongue and say nothing back because I will get in trouble.

I have to ask you; what benefit is there to talking back?

You're not going to improve either of your scores. You're not going to improve the state of the game. You're not going to change their mind. All you're going to do is encourage them to flame you more, and then you get yourself caught up in a flame war that three other people have to suffer through. And all the while, both you and the Yasuo are going to be wasting time and energy on each other instead of focusing on the game, and you're both going to play worse.

Flaming people back is all negatives, no positives. There's zero legitimate benefit to it, and it comes at the cost of making the game worse for everyone and risking punishment.

I reported him but I highly doubt he would get in trouble but i bet you anything if I had say anything back, I would have gotten a 25 game chat restriction if not temporary ban or permaban.

...So, let me get this straight...

You're absolutely certain that you would've gotten punished had you spoken back (which isn't an unreasonable assumption)...

And yet you highly doubt that he would get punished?

You're going to have to explain this to me. I don't understand how you can simultaneously be certain you would've gotten punished and then doubt the likelihood that an actual, verifiable flamer would get punished.

I know nothing is perfect, but that's kind of not right that people can get away like that while I can't.

They don't. If you report them, they won't get away with it, period. Even if the player in question doesn't immediately receive punishment for their behavior, it adds up. As Kei143 explained, players have a behavioral history that adds up with each infraction, with more egregious offenses adding more immediate risk of punishment.

And flaming, as it were, is a pretty good way to fast-track yourself into being punished anyhow.

And besides, look around this sub-board for a while. People post here daily taking issue with being punished for flaming and other such misbehavior. Do you really, genuinely think that people can "get away" with things?

DoranShieldOp3 votes

your account is worth more than a little argument...

now try walking away from an argument where you have nothing to lose that's kinda hard

DrunkenSheepz3 votes

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your account is worth more than a little argument...

now try walking away from an argument where you have nothing to lose that's kinda hard

painfully truthfully well-said...

DrunkenSheepz3 votes

One game, if you say something thats a gigantic nono at all (example: n word, sexism, racism, etc.) of course you're screwed into a chatban...second game however you get penalized for a toxic lux you never gawked back at?...thaaats a slap in the face...xD but hey the more we give "awareness" and not yelling at em the more riot will listen. I for one agree bout having been chatbanned for my "rant" but the second game...uhm...I had a diff game that i was a bit of a troll gnar in ...a tad...that coulda been my chatban second game not that lux...I didn't deserve that one.

Ph03n1xb1rd2 votes

I ask him how was I inting? He says check your score.

It was a 41 min game. During this game you:

  • placed 7 wards
  • dealt 6,391 damage (less than half of the 2nd worst in the game)
  • had 13% kill participation (which by itself is not a problem, but did you splitpush whole game?)

Ps.: Sadly i can not check other stats, since the site is bugged for me, but just by looking at these it feels like Yasuo was right.

Yin Yang Taoist2 votes

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I just had a game as lucian with end score of 2/3/3. It's not great but it's not bad. Yet I had a yasuo who said I was useless and did nothing all game. I ask him how was I inting? He says check your score. I'm 2/3 so how is that inting? Meanwhile his last game he was yasuo with score of 5/10. So I don't get why he thinks he can flame people in the first place? Second,** what bothers me is he can say a bunch of disrespectful shit to me but I have to bite my tongue and say nothing back because I will get in trouble.** I reported him but I highly doubt he would get in trouble but i bet you anything if I had say anything back, I would have gotten a 25 game chat restriction if not temporary ban or permaban. I know nothing is perfect, but that's kind of not right that people can get away like that while I can't.

And this is why I /mute all and play. For this exact reason, because people can say all sorts of nonsensical things to you. And all you're expected to do is mute-report. Its okay if its one, two.. maybe three games? But if it happens half the time then surely, something is not working as intended. But hey, can't do much about it other than muting off the get-go.

I've reported and looked at a bunch of people's accounts like you, OP. Trust me, its super tilting. Something that they said or did which warranted a 2-week suspension at the very least yet they're actively playing. Just don't bother! Out of sight, out of mind. Another thing to note. They all have alts. One of them recently posted his logs and on how he got banned but doesn't care and will keep doing it regardless. Just jump onto his alt. account. And such examples are plenty! Allowing people to hop onto another alt. account right after a ban on one account like nothing happened instead of giving them some time-out is another reason that this issue doesn't reduce.

IVSakenz1 votes

It may seem like it, but riot is not out to screw over its players. If he was flaming and you reported him.. he will at least get a warning and chat restriction depending on the amount of previous reporting.

Qiyana Ixaocan3 votes

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It may seem like it, but riot is not out to screw over its players. If he was flaming and you reported him.. he will at least get a warning and chat restriction depending on the amount of previous reporting.

yeah cause saying you inted is a horrible thing that he should lose his account over. Cause lets not pretend the most babylike insults cant cost you years and hundred of dollars cause some little baby got their fe fes hurt. mute and shut up you baby.

Kei1431 votes

It is possible for playerA to get punished and playerB not to, even though playerB was waaayyyyy more toxic . Let's say playerA started the game with the toxicity meter at 95% and playerB's at 35%. Ingame, playerB said some pretty nasty shit and playerA responds with some small aashit as well. After the game, playerA gains 10% toxicity and playerB gains 50%. Now playerA is at 105% toxicity and gets punished, whereas playerB is at 85%, and not punished in that specific game, even though playerB was found to be 5x more toxic than playerA in that game.

Ultimately, it depends on your behavioral history.

Question back to you. If you were able to see your toxicity meter, would you have flamed that yasuo back if your toxicity meter was 5% filled? Would you have done the same if your meter was at 50% or 85%?

Tele II1 votes

Youre basing the "not right" aspect of it on a doubt. Not even real information. Just you "doubting" that they would get punished. It must be frustrating living in a world where you give your negative made up thoughts creditas if they are the reality.

Zilarious1 votes

don't even try to dispute this guy umbral regent weill just tell you some not so nice info he thinks is right with some sat words, along with what he's supposed to follow that riot told him too. you can't tell people to report someone for inting or toxic behavior or you're toxic soooo also the person who is actually inting and feeding and doing things every single game to ruin others expierence isnt gonna get banned unless hes cursing and typiung he will not get banned. trust me dont listen to this person. I actually know someone with over 25 accounts banned and he even confirmed "I can play the game and troll however I want the second I say a message that's when I get permad."

ModPrandine

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don't even try to dispute this guy umbral regent weill just tell you some not so nice info he thinks is right with some sat words, along with what he's supposed to follow that riot told him too. you can't tell people to report someone for inting or toxic behavior or you're toxic soooo also the person who is actually inting and feeding and doing things every single game to ruin others expierence isnt gonna get banned unless hes cursing and typiung he will not get banned. trust me dont listen to this person. I actually know someone with over 25 accounts banned and he even confirmed "I can play the game and troll however I want the second I say a message that's when I get permad."

Your friend is just one person though. Here are some instances of multiple people getting banned for inting who didn't say anything:

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/2Xkw0yE4-first-ban-and-14-days https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/Wb6xkgzF-what-for-14-day-ban https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/r8HTAlbX-worst-ban-ever https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/xp1c9xuj-14-day-ban

Zilarious1 votes

Hey there we go finally some bans but honestly just went through them all and they are majorly excessive you can int way easier, then have two useless summoner spells 14 cs by 20 minutes and 18 deaths in that time span every one of those people banned is in this range

-two summoner spells that dont look right -excessively poor cs 0-30 within 18-20 minute game -14-20 deaths in a 20 minute game

The common inter and troller in this game no lie i'm not kidding I've been playing for ten years CARPEN0CT3M old summoner name

fits these ranges

  • summoner spells on par
  • cs to make it seem like they're trying but in most cases this drops down
  • 2-3 deaths within the first 6 minutes calms it down then in fights does nothing and makes sure to die or either stay alive only him so they can chat to you.
  • will spam ping the jungler and question mark ping every single thing, only to engage in a fight the whole ally team is pinging him away. -split pushes the game indefinitely -ruins a split push indefinitely while ahead. there are so many things you can do to int a game most inters int because something happened that they are upset about and then in comms the other person just curses at them once and then its a downward spiral from their. now you may say that these people don't deserve a ban because its just they're having a bad day. but no that's not the right action, the people who were banned were excessively doing it just to get a rise out of others and that's wrong but it's also the same as above when they get upset and rage. they are trying to get a rise and make another lose because they are upset.
Zilarious1 votes

they don't fit all these at once sometimes it can be only one one thing can throw a game sometimes if done excessively or minorly, and people know that.

Zilarious1 votes

also different roles have different ways they can intentionally feed or troll or purposley lose a match.

ModPrandine

In that case here are some more examples of trolls and inters being banned. Some do feature chat use but the ban reason was for trolling or inting.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/E4LnThmW-most-ridiculous-chat-restriction-i-have-ever-seen-in-my-life?comment=0011 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/KHAL90oW-stuck-at-honor-zero?comment=0003 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/3jEVVlsY-permanently-banned-with-ingame-log?comment=003e https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/jFwTE8Oj-playing-off-meta-in-ranked-int-feeding-ban?comment=0039 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/sU5wOfFJ-proof-that-the-automated-system-is-broken?show=rundown https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/GrmPK5yP-intentional-feeding-but-i-didnt-feed?comment=0006 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/MKBQUoKd-banned-for-intentionally-feeding https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/KTq4tjIF-i-dont-get-it-how-riot-bans-a-player-because-another-kid-draven-decides-to-take-all-the-kills https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/xW5z7auF-proof-that-riot-employees-ban-without-providing-clear-evidencecertainty-of-an-infraction https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/RAfb0McT-got-banned-for-intentional-feeding-for-a-game-with-02-death https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/5bqNJurI-banned-for-a-bad-game https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/f9P7YRXv-bad-game-i-guess

Note that I and many others do think that the IFS could do a better job at consistently punishing these players than it does now, but they do get banned. Also, one other thing to note is that trolls/inters rarely complain about their bans on the forums since they usually already know why they were punished and thus have no need or reason to complain about it. Because of this it can be difficult to find cases (especially recent ones) of them getting banned.

Qiyana Ixaocan1 votes

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In that case here are some more examples of trolls and inters being banned. Some do feature chat use but the ban reason was for trolling or inting.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/E4LnThmW-most-ridiculous-chat-restriction-i-have-ever-seen-in-my-life?comment=0011 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/KHAL90oW-stuck-at-honor-zero?comment=0003 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/3jEVVlsY-permanently-banned-with-ingame-log?comment=003e https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/jFwTE8Oj-playing-off-meta-in-ranked-int-feeding-ban?comment=0039 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/sU5wOfFJ-proof-that-the-automated-system-is-broken?show=rundown https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/GrmPK5yP-intentional-feeding-but-i-didnt-feed?comment=0006 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/MKBQUoKd-banned-for-intentionally-feeding https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/KTq4tjIF-i-dont-get-it-how-riot-bans-a-player-because-another-kid-draven-decides-to-take-all-the-kills https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/xW5z7auF-proof-that-riot-employees-ban-without-providing-clear-evidencecertainty-of-an-infraction https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/RAfb0McT-got-banned-for-intentional-feeding-for-a-game-with-02-death https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/5bqNJurI-banned-for-a-bad-game https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/f9P7YRXv-bad-game-i-guess

Note that I and many others do think that the IFS could do a better job at consistently punishing these players than it does now, but they do get banned. Also, one other thing to note is that trolls/inters rarely complain about their bans on the forums since they usually already know why they were punished and thus have no need or reason to complain about it. Because of this it can be difficult to find cases (especially recent ones) of them getting banned.

How many examples of tiny things can i find of people being perma banned losing years of time and hundreds of dollars over stupid tiny things in five minutes while you i bet would need several months to find the equivalent in trolls. Lets stop pretending this game has a cohesive punishment system. instea dof perma banning people for getting mad how about you just perma mute them.

ModPrandine

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How many examples of tiny things can i find of people being perma banned losing years of time and hundreds of dollars over stupid tiny things in five minutes while you i bet would need several months to find the equivalent in trolls. Lets stop pretending this game has a cohesive punishment system. instea dof perma banning people for getting mad how about you just perma mute them.

Because Perma-mutes don't work as Riot found out when they tried it before the IFS was introduced. Players would rack up hundreds-thousands of chat restriction games and either continue harassing others with their limited messages or just switch to trolling when they could harass people via chat or both. Some people will just keep misbehaving no matter how many chances you give them, so rather than let them continue playing it's better to permaban them instead.

From Riot Tantram:

It really breaks down into two categories.

1.) Helping players reform 2.) Shielding others from the behavior, at a cost.

We used to issue chat restrictions that essentially scaled indefinitely.

We were able to determine that after a certain point the penalty no longer helped with reform. The 10-game and 25-game counts for chat restrictions are based on data that they were both light enough, and felt strict enough to encourage people to understand their behavior is unacceptable in game and change it.

We also saw that the players in this 'large restriction' category defaulted to gameplay altering means of harassing their team. It caused an increase in feeding and trolling.

The sample size of this population and time frame is huge. Essentially the time spanning from the introduction of chat restrictions to the introduction of IFS.

So my question for you is, would you rather have more feeders and less negative chat?

Because this is a free to play game eliminating all trolls forever is impossible, and false positives while very rare can happen, though those are usually overturned fairly quickly. That said, it's disingenuous to claim that trolls never get banned as they do.

At the end of the day if players truly value their account and the time and/or money spent on it then ideally they should think about that before they get permabanned and not afterwards.

Troll Slaiyer1 votes

its a yasuo player. ignore him , his brain is the same size as a pea

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