I bite my tongue while others flame

miightofdemacia·1/27/2020, 10:56:06 AM·10 votes·5,991 views

I just had a game as lucian with end score of 2/3/3. It's not great but it's not bad. Yet I had a yasuo who said I was useless and did nothing all game. I ask him how was I inting? He says check your score. I'm 2/3 so how is that inting? Meanwhile his last game he was yasuo with score of 5/10. So I don't get why he thinks he can flame people in the first place? Second, what bothers me is he can say a bunch of disrespectful shit to me but I have to bite my tongue and say nothing back because I will get in trouble. I reported him but I highly doubt he would get in trouble but i bet you anything if I had say anything back, I would have gotten a 25 game chat restriction if not temporary ban or permaban. I know nothing is perfect, but that's kind of not right that people can get away like that while I can't.

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GatekeeperTDS1/27/2020, 12:10:30 PM4 votes

This isn't just a League thing. Unless you're in some kind of actual danger, biting your tongue while someone else is being an asshole is something that will benefit you in MANY scenarios.

You are 100% going to run into an asshole like this in your job at some point in your life, and being the bigger person is in your best interest. Let assholes be assholes, arguing with them is pointless.

DrunkenSheepz1/27/2020, 5:42:54 PM3 votes

One game, if you say something thats a gigantic nono at all (example: n word, sexism, racism, etc.) of course you're screwed into a chatban...second game however you get penalized for a toxic lux you never gawked back at?...thaaats a slap in the face...xD but hey the more we give "awareness" and not yelling at em the more riot will listen. I for one agree bout having been chatbanned for my "rant" but the second game...uhm...I had a diff game that i was a bit of a troll gnar in ...a tad...that coulda been my chatban second game not that lux...I didn't deserve that one.

Umbral Regent1/27/2020, 12:58:00 PM3 votes

Meanwhile his last game he was yasuo with score of 5/10. So I don't get why he thinks he can flame people in the first place?

The people who are most likely to flame are also generally likely to perform poorer than the people they flame. I'd imagine it has something to do with trying to scrape together some weak sense of pride in trashing other players, but it'll fall apart all over again once they inevitably get punished.

Second, what bothers me is he can say a bunch of disrespectful shit to me but I have to bite my tongue and say nothing back because I will get in trouble.

I have to ask you; what benefit is there to talking back?

You're not going to improve either of your scores. You're not going to improve the state of the game. You're not going to change their mind. All you're going to do is encourage them to flame you more, and then you get yourself caught up in a flame war that three other people have to suffer through. And all the while, both you and the Yasuo are going to be wasting time and energy on each other instead of focusing on the game, and you're both going to play worse.

Flaming people back is all negatives, no positives. There's zero legitimate benefit to it, and it comes at the cost of making the game worse for everyone and risking punishment.

I reported him but I highly doubt he would get in trouble but i bet you anything if I had say anything back, I would have gotten a 25 game chat restriction if not temporary ban or permaban.

...So, let me get this straight...

You're absolutely certain that you would've gotten punished had you spoken back (which isn't an unreasonable assumption)...

And yet you highly doubt that he would get punished?

You're going to have to explain this to me. I don't understand how you can simultaneously be certain you would've gotten punished and then doubt the likelihood that an actual, verifiable flamer would get punished.

I know nothing is perfect, but that's kind of not right that people can get away like that while I can't.

They don't. If you report them, they won't get away with it, period. Even if the player in question doesn't immediately receive punishment for their behavior, it adds up. As Kei143 explained, players have a behavioral history that adds up with each infraction, with more egregious offenses adding more immediate risk of punishment.

And flaming, as it were, is a pretty good way to fast-track yourself into being punished anyhow.

And besides, look around this sub-board for a while. People post here daily taking issue with being punished for flaming and other such misbehavior. Do you really, genuinely think that people can "get away" with things?

DoranShieldOp1/27/2020, 1:18:53 PM3 votes

your account is worth more than a little argument...

now try walking away from an argument where you have nothing to lose that's kinda hard

Ph03n1xb1rd1/27/2020, 12:22:29 PM2 votes

I ask him how was I inting? He says check your score.

It was a 41 min game. During this game you:

placed 7 wards
dealt 6,391 damage (less than half of the 2nd worst in the game)
had 13% kill participation (which by itself is not a problem, but did you splitpush whole game?)

Ps.: Sadly i can not check other stats, since the site is bugged for me, but just by looking at these it feels like Yasuo was right.

Yin Yang Taoist2/8/2020, 4:57:37 AM2 votes

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I just had a game as lucian with end score of 2/3/3. It's not great but it's not bad. Yet I had a yasuo who said I was useless and did nothing all game. I ask him how was I inting? He says check your score. I'm 2/3 so how is that inting? Meanwhile his last game he was yasuo with score of 5/10. So I don't get why he thinks he can flame people in the first place? Second,** what bothers me is he can say a bunch of disrespectful shit to me but I have to bite my tongue and say nothing back because I will get in trouble.** I reported him but I highly doubt he would get in trouble but i bet you anything if I had say anything back, I would have gotten a 25 game chat restriction if not temporary ban or permaban. I know nothing is perfect, but that's kind of not right that people can get away like that while I can't.

And this is why I /mute all and play. For this exact reason, because people can say all sorts of nonsensical things to you. And all you're expected to do is mute-report. Its okay if its one, two.. maybe three games? But if it happens half the time then surely, something is not working as intended. But hey, can't do much about it other than muting off the get-go.

I've reported and looked at a bunch of people's accounts like you, OP. Trust me, its super tilting. Something that they said or did which warranted a 2-week suspension at the very least yet they're actively playing. Just don't bother! Out of sight, out of mind. Another thing to note. They all have alts. One of them recently posted his logs and on how he got banned but doesn't care and will keep doing it regardless. Just jump onto his alt. account. And such examples are plenty! Allowing people to hop onto another alt. account right after a ban on one account like nothing happened instead of giving them some time-out is another reason that this issue doesn't reduce.

Troll Slaiyer2/9/2020, 4:56:10 PM1 votes

its a yasuo player. ignore him , his brain is the same size as a pea

Kei1431/27/2020, 11:37:08 AM1 votes

It is possible for playerA to get punished and playerB not to, even though playerB was waaayyyyy more toxic . Let's say playerA started the game with the toxicity meter at 95% and playerB's at 35%. Ingame, playerB said some pretty nasty shit and playerA responds with some small aashit as well. After the game, playerA gains 10% toxicity and playerB gains 50%. Now playerA is at 105% toxicity and gets punished, whereas playerB is at 85%, and not punished in that specific game, even though playerB was found to be 5x more toxic than playerA in that game.

Ultimately, it depends on your behavioral history.

Question back to you. If you were able to see your toxicity meter, would you have flamed that yasuo back if your toxicity meter was 5% filled? Would you have done the same if your meter was at 50% or 85%?

Tele II1/28/2020, 10:31:59 PM1 votes

Youre basing the "not right" aspect of it on a doubt. Not even real information. Just you "doubting" that they would get punished. It must be frustrating living in a world where you give your negative made up thoughts creditas if they are the reality.

Zilarious2/2/2020, 8:34:59 PM1 votes

don't even try to dispute this guy umbral regent weill just tell you some not so nice info he thinks is right with some sat words, along with what he's supposed to follow that riot told him too. you can't tell people to report someone for inting or toxic behavior or you're toxic soooo also the person who is actually inting and feeding and doing things every single game to ruin others expierence isnt gonna get banned unless hes cursing and typiung he will not get banned. trust me dont listen to this person. I actually know someone with over 25 accounts banned and he even confirmed "I can play the game and troll however I want the second I say a message that's when I get permad."

IVSakenz1/27/2020, 11:32:19 AM1 votes

It may seem like it, but riot is not out to screw over its players. If he was flaming and you reported him.. he will at least get a warning and chat restriction depending on the amount of previous reporting.