I'm generally pretty willing to accept that I don't need to see where Riot is heading, .. but ...

Elite4Runner·Oct 31, 2018·8 votes·5,699 views

I really don't like this Dark Harvest change. I'm not really going to say anything new that people probably don't already know because this is a pretty common topic right now. These changes don't make any sense to me.

Dark Harvest was probably the one rune that had a pretty clear identity. It was the only true jungler keystone because every other option is more efficient in lane. Now, we (junglers) are losing that.

I'd prefer if Riot simply nerfed it into the dirt, but left it so that it functioned as it is.

Give it a stack cap! Make jungle camps worth less respectively. Make you have to actually participate in the kill to get a soul instead of just being nearby. Remove the ability to gain souls from allied champions and minions.

... I'm calling it now ..

#Jungler2019LUL

12 Comments

MalakOct 31, 20184 votes

I like the new dark harvest actually

It doesn't make sense to have a jungle only keystone

Elite4RunnerNov 1, 20181 votes

Current Dark Harvest is not a jungle-only keystone. It is still effective on laners because they are able to gain stacks off of siege minions and champions. Both of these sources provide a greater value of souls in respect to jungle monsters.

The reason why it worked as a MORE EFFICIENT keystone for junglers than laners is because junglers are able to access the souls of lesser value more frequently because they still need to farm in order to remain relevant. The greater value of the souls that a jungler can gain from ganking works as an effective incentive / reward.

Other than Dark Harvest, there are two keystones that are of any considerable use to a jungler while not ganking; Fleet Footwork and Unsealed Spellbook. Neither of these are any more efficient on junglers than laners.

So again, new Dark Harvest eliminates the only keystone that is more efficient on junglers than laners.

Rip junglers 2019

CatastrophicNov 1, 20184 votes

I like the new dark harvest, it's now "here's some damage in specific circumstances" instead of "here's some damage". And also Predator is way more efficient in jungle than in lane.

Elite4RunnerNov 1, 20181 votes

Predator is a keystone that is more efficient ON a jungler, than on a laner, but in most cases it is used to get to the lane to gank.

However, Predator is still efficient on a laner when roaming or when collapsing on enemies that are caught out near a lane.

It can also be useful for laners to return to their lane or simply for a bonus amount of movement speed for engages.

As for your comment about the new Dark Harvest applying to certain circumstances. I can agree that at least makes it more interesting, the fact that there are limited circumstances in which it is effective is part of why it is less efficient on junglers. A jungler can only gank an opponent that is already close to or below 50% health, or force them below 50% when they gank in order to proc and gain a soul. If they are unable to do so, they miss the opportunity to scale.

FCJAAAAGOOOOOct 31, 20182 votes

Watch this - for the first time in League history - be the only balance change at the start of the preseason. I'm out for good if that is even remotely true!

Elite4RunnerOct 31, 20183 votes

Right?! I keep hoping that any day now they are going to announce some cool new jungler keystone to replace it.

https://media.tenor.com/images/abf6ca7376b918535cf9c974b23e58fa/tenor.gif

FCJAAAAGOOOOOct 31, 20182 votes

OH MY GOODNESS THEIR BIG PLAN IS TO GIVE US OUR 5 ARMOR BACK AND ALSO GIVE EVERYONE 20 ADAPTIVE WHY EVEN

Elite4RunnerNov 1, 20181 votes

Where did you see that?

KovaxzNov 1, 20181 votes

It's part of the pbe content. You can check it out on surrender at 20 if you do not have the tester client

Kingslayer RivenNov 1, 20181 votes

I like the concept of new DH, but I feel like it overlaps enough with electrocute to warrant it not being made. I feel like witout the farming aspect of it someone will do the math at what level DH outdamages electrocute and then it will just be a choice of early burst versus late burst for assassins champions. Basically just two sides of the same coin.

Kiwi InkNov 1, 20181 votes

As a support main, I thought dark harvest was the most stupid addition ever made and I've played for 6 years. If my adcs can get popped in one-two hits despite shields and what not it has nothing to do with balance anymore. Junglers didn't need it before, it's a needed change. Invest in adapting instead of relying on brainless one click runes. All other roles had to adapt last season too.

Elite4RunnerNov 1, 20181 votes

Lol tell me more about how the new Dark Harvest will be less brainless. It seems to me like it is likely to scale even harder than the current DH, and it will be taken by laners. Imagine an ADC and support with it. You drop to 50% and the enemeis deal 1 point of damage to you, followed by two massive chunks of damage from DH. Now their next proc is going to be even stronger. And if they kill one of you, they get a reset for the other one.

Then picture a jungler walking in with DH too.