So I get Tryndamere isn't OP, but this has always bothered me...

Shroom Junkie·Sep 19, 2015·10 votes·980 views

E(Mocking Shout): Decreases surrounding champions' Attack Damage by 20/35/50/65/80 for 4 seconds, and enemies with their backs turned also have their Movement Speed reduced by 30/37.5/45/52.5/60%.

Isn't Tryndamere supposed to be all damage? Like, I get so is Fiora and she has that counter-CC thing but, considering he has a pretty high ratio on his E(120% bonus AD), and bonus AD, and passive crit, it just bothers me that he would decrease damage too. Especially in an AOE. Gives him team fight power he was never supposed to have, plus makes him that much better when not fed.

18 Comments

Hayaishi2Sep 19, 201510 votes

He isn't OP, just toxic.

67chromeSep 19, 20155 votes

Gives him team fight power he was never supposed to have, plus makes him that much better when not fed.

LoL is a 5v5 game.

Only being good in 1v1 situations makes a champion almost completely unplayable and nonviable at the competitive level. The only way 1v1 only champions can really work is if they split-push 24/7 and backdoor.

Is that really what bothers you about Tryndamere? That parts of his kit actually encourage him to participate in team-fights?

Shroom JunkieSep 19, 20152 votes

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LoL is a 5v5 game.

Only being good in 1v1 situations makes a champion almost completely unplayable and nonviable at the competitive level. The only way 1v1 only champions can really work is if they split-push 24/7 and backdoor.

Is that really what bothers you about Tryndamere? That parts of his kit actually encourage him to participate in team-fights?

Yes, it is. It doesn't have to be viable in competitive play to be a good champion, and if he does team fight he should be like a melee ADC. Outputting tons of consistent damage, but to a single target(for the most part). However with this he's not only strong in a fight because of his damage and survivability, but also because he contributes something that no matter how underfed he is, is still very strong. Especially against a team with at least 3 AD's, that would remove a total of 270 AD which could mean life or death for a team mate, and a won team fight.

It just seems a little too supportive for Tryndamere in my opinion. Not saying he's OP but it doesn't fit his playstyle and just seems like something they slapped in there for a W that turned out to be more than they'd hoped.

And you could say that the AD debuff isn't much but, I doubt if you've played at least 6 months you've never had a game with Tryndamere on your team that W'd and you got out with a sliver of health.

67chromeSep 19, 20151 votes

It doesn't have to be viable in competitive play to be a good champion,

Being good at pub-stomping doesn't make a champion good.

Especially against a team with at least 3 AD's, that would remove a total of 270 AD which could mean life or death for a team mate, and a won team fight.

Yasou's a melee carry.

He has Wind Wall.

Way more than 270 AD potential of damage-blocking for his team.

It just seems a little too supportive for Tryndamere in my opinion. Not saying he's OP but it doesn't fit his playstyle and just seems like something they slapped in there for a W that turned out to be more than they'd hoped.

In a team fight, Burst > Sustained, Defense > Squish, Range > Melee, CC > Damage, AoE > Single-target.

Tryndamere's not a solid champion that's teetering over the edge with Mocking Shout. Mocking Shout barely allows him to bring anything to the table, even layered on top of his other strengths.

And you could say that the AD debuff isn't much but, I doubt if you've played at least 6 months you've never had a game with Tryndamere on your team that W'd and you got out with a sliver of health.

I've been playing LoL since Poppy and Gragas were released and I don't remember that happening.

Tryndamere in general is one of the most underwhelming allies I've had. To be fair - mocking shout is the definition of invisible power, it's pretty hard to actually feel a Tryndamere is helping with utility/supportive stuff.

But he's also not exactly Xin'Zhao levels of totally ruined the enemie's AoE team-comp, Yasou levels of blocked all 5 ultimates, Fiora levels of Riposted a Nami ult and then Janna-healed the entire team, Wukong levels of pro-baited a Lissandra ult with clone then gave an epic initiation, Fizz levels of a perfect 5-man ult giving amazing initiation potential, or Talon levels of just deleted someone in the blink of an eye.

OverpoweredSoapSep 19, 20153 votes

I honestly think he needs a Fiora style rework tbh.

lB2kGRlc8ySep 19, 20153 votes

Sure, you can remove the Ad decrease, but you'd have to make the slow affect all targets to compensate. As for saying he has team fight potential, that's completely off base. Trynd's kit was initially designed for him to be able to survive teamfights being as how melee adcs can't get peeled for, but if he was even mediocre, he wouldn't have to split push to exist. Due to 95% of his damage coming from auto attacks, he is affected by counter-itemization harder than any other character, meaning a tank can keep him from closing in on others without being shredded nearly as hard as by other adcs.

tl;dr His team fight is pitiful, so why bother complaining about this ability?

LadyRenlySep 19, 20152 votes

That's actually his W.

I guess he has his W to somewhat mitigate the whole "lol just kite forever", let's him get in a few good whacks

Mickey DonnerudoSep 19, 20152 votes

It's been like that for the longest time.

I don't see why you are complaining about it now.

lB2kGRlc8ySep 19, 20151 votes

True, its basically just a nit pick. I can see the frustration in most of the Trynd posts bitching about his split pushing, but this is complaining about the 1 in a million chance that a Trynd will actually be able to contribute in a teamfight.

Cowgirl EdSep 19, 20152 votes

trynd is fine leave him alone

53436278DEL1Sep 19, 20151 votes

lol never noticed it was that much ad

Sakura MirageSep 19, 20151 votes

Since when is trynd in a team fight he is always taking your towers that probably why he is annoying.

Norr1NSep 19, 20151 votes

Suprised (ok maybe not) that he still has that AD reduction, reminds me of that time they removed Lee Sin's attack speed reduction cause it wasn't fair to hypercarries. Guess it's.. ok.. if it's the other way round? o.0 Who wants to duel him anyway, can't outsustain cuz lower'd AD vs the splitpushing undying LW-empowered super DPS critter who can out burst casters with an auto and manalessly spin away when things turn ugly. So fun.

AtheosisXSep 19, 20151 votes

He just needs a total rework. No point in even messing with his current kit.

StealWolverineSep 19, 20151 votes

Es ratio really isn't that high for the only ability in his not that does damage. Many complain but he's currently fairly balanced. If you were to take away power from his w where would you add it back to? Buffing anything but his w will make him stronger while ulting because he doesn't care what your ad is for that 5 second period. And his ult is the most complained about part I think, followed by people who are bad at math and don't understand the modified rng complaining of early cria.

Shroom JunkieSep 19, 20151 votes

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Es ratio really isn't that high for the only ability in his not that does damage. Many complain but he's currently fairly balanced. If you were to take away power from his w where would you add it back to? Buffing anything but his w will make him stronger while ulting because he doesn't care what your ad is for that 5 second period. And his ult is the most complained about part I think, followed by people who are bad at math and don't understand the modified rng complaining of early cria.

Not saying he isn't balanced, but he's a damage dealing machine that literally can't die. It bothers me a little that he has a supportive factor as well.

As for his W not doing anything while he's ulted- it really doesn't have to. He can W before that and not have to ult as soon, and even if he is ulted while he W's, it still helps his teammates.

BananaSrb97Sep 19, 20151 votes

Wow a Silver V player complaining about Tryndamere on the boards. Whats new? -.-

Shroom JunkieSep 19, 20154 votes

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Wow a Silver V player complaining about Tryndamere on the boards. Whats new? -.-

Firstly, I'm complaining about his W not being fit to his kit, not him/it being OP. Secondly, don't stereotype. Thirdly, why would you even look at my rank? It has absolutely nothing to do with the post. Fucking elophanters.