Skill shot champions vs point and click

Failog·Oct 13, 2016·4 votes·2,258 views

So like....I mean, shouldn't champions that require more skill in skills shot have potentially more power?

And yet, we have Jax who scales better than Aatrox, and is so easy to you use you can win with him out of the gate first time ever using him, requires no skill shots, all point and click....and Aatrox requires you hit your dives and pokes, doesn't scale as well and doesn't have a kit that items sync with as well as Jax.

And its been like this for...what, 2 years now?

Riot doesn't want to balance the game. They can't because they couldn't even define it if they wanted to.

I would love to hear what the definition of League being balanced is. What would be. What standards or benchmarks would be required for it to be considered balanced....or maybe they will just give you the run around and explain how, see, its perfectly imbalanced, don't you get it? Such a load of shit cop out.

My God, if Riot ever went out of business due to better games coming out.....fuck, I would be so happy. SO happy to these these dirt bags stop profiting from a game that they have no intention of balancing.

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Chad ChadlainnOct 13, 20169 votes

I don't know whether I should be impressed that there's actually Aatrox mains still alive or laugh, so I'll do a bit of both.

To be frank, Aatrox and Jax are similarly easy to play and this thread quite honestly just looks like you made it because you lost that game against a Jax. You try to make it sound like either of Aatrox's "skill" shots are difficult to land at all, and that Jax is the easiest champ in the game, both of these statements would be false. Why is Jax much easier than Aatrox, huh? Merely because his Q is targeted? But that doesn't automatically make him easier to play. What about Aatrox's free GA, or his innate sustain, or the fact that he actually does kinda have the option to poke without being in melee range, unlike Jax? He can also use his Q at any time to escape, unlike Jax who requires something to target.

Now it sounds like Aatrox is the easier one since he gets a free pass and the option of CS-ing at range. None of his skillshots are particularly difficult to hit, so he's really not any more difficult because of them.

But really, both Aatrox and Jax just slap shit. They're simple to play, but have their own things about them that can be manipulated in certain ways to raise their skill ceiling just a bit higher than you would expect.

But anyways, should Aatrox be stronger than Jax because he does technically have skillshots? No. At least, not in the way you're probably thinking. You probably want Aatrox to be able to duel Jax late game, which is silly. Jax's kit is literally "fite me bro" the kit. I'm confident he can duel anybody late game and come out the victor, which is fitting due to his lore. His passive, his ult, his E, his W, his Q are all things that assist in his quest to beat the shit out of everybody and anybody in a 1v1 scenario. Unless he's fed or the enemy team doesn't know how to focus/has no CC, he can't teamfight worth a shit compared to Aatrox, who actually has CC and sustain and his GA.

Anyways, stop being salty and blaming Riot for shitty balance because you lost a game. Not that Riot knows how to balance, but their problems do not lie in the state of Aatrox (who could admittedly use a touch-up) or Jax, or skillshots vs targeted abilities. Garen, as much as I love him, is a horrible choice for top lane unless you get fed and he has no skillshots whatsoever.

BlàdedancerOct 13, 20161 votes

So true

FailogOct 13, 20161 votes

Thank you!

FailogOct 13, 20162 votes

You said "Why is Jax much easier than Aatrox, huh? Merely because his Q is targeted? But that doesn't automatically make him easier to play. What about Aatrox's free GA, or his innate sustain, or the fact that he actually does kinda have the option to poke without being in melee range, unlike Jax? He can also use his Q at any time to escape, unlike Jax who requires something to target. "

Aatrox sustain, switching from from blood price to blood thirst, involves marginal judgement calls when calculating trades. Also if not careful his build in GA can be completely worthless.

And I can 1v1 Jax late game actually with my builds. That is not the issue. The issue is his effectiveness over all in team fighting, and his ability to burst down my carries faster than I can burst down their carries.

And Im sorry but despite what you say, I do blame Riot--they were too concerned about releasing new, and largely uninteresting and unpopular champions, than fixing their old ones...and when they do, many of the reworks proved to be lame and not increase the popularity of the champion.

Chad ChadlainnOct 14, 20162 votes

"His ability to burst down my carries faster than I can burst down theirs."

But remember he has no CC (aside from the 1-second stun). Aatrox can still melt ADCs pretty fast too, Jax being able to do so faster is merely because he has less utility built into his kit. Having the innate sustain and GA also are factors in this as well. Aatrox can be more reckless than Jax can, as many times if Jax uses his E to engage and the enemy has any CC, he's dead and out for the fight (exception, of course, exist).

The release of new champions is not really what hinders changes to older ones, it's simply that they don't see balance the same way as most normal players do. I'll admit I don't like a lot of their "reworks" except for Sion and Twitch, but I don't believe it easy to make someone who can keep their old identity while also updating their kit to be balanced.

Sion is the exception, as I believe he is the most balanced champion in the game currently.

But I digress.

I do think Riot can use some better judgement, but it's complicated.

FailogOct 14, 20161 votes

That 1 second stun but also his parry is sort of a CC--I mean, you have to stop attacking him when he does it, which basically shuts you down.

BoulderoxOct 14, 20161 votes

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I don't know whether I should be impressed that there's actually Aatrox mains still alive or laugh, so I'll do a bit of both.

To be frank, Aatrox and Jax are similarly easy to play and this thread quite honestly just looks like you made it because you lost that game against a Jax. You try to make it sound like either of Aatrox's "skill" shots are difficult to land at all, and that Jax is the easiest champ in the game, both of these statements would be false. Why is Jax much easier than Aatrox, huh? Merely because his Q is targeted? But that doesn't automatically make him easier to play. What about Aatrox's free GA, or his innate sustain, or the fact that he actually does kinda have the option to poke without being in melee range, unlike Jax? He can also use his Q at any time to escape, unlike Jax who requires something to target.

Now it sounds like Aatrox is the easier one since he gets a free pass and the option of CS-ing at range. None of his skillshots are particularly difficult to hit, so he's really not any more difficult because of them.

But really, both Aatrox and Jax just slap shit. They're simple to play, but have their own things about them that can be manipulated in certain ways to raise their skill ceiling just a bit higher than you would expect.

But anyways, should Aatrox be stronger than Jax because he does technically have skillshots? No. At least, not in the way you're probably thinking. You probably want Aatrox to be able to duel Jax late game, which is silly. Jax's kit is literally "fite me bro" the kit. I'm confident he can duel anybody late game and come out the victor, which is fitting due to his lore. His passive, his ult, his E, his W, his Q are all things that assist in his quest to beat the shit out of everybody and anybody in a 1v1 scenario. Unless he's fed or the enemy team doesn't know how to focus/has no CC, he can't teamfight worth a shit compared to Aatrox, who actually has CC and sustain and his GA.

Anyways, stop being salty and blaming Riot for shitty balance because you lost a game. Not that Riot knows how to balance, but their problems do not lie in the state of Aatrox (who could admittedly use a touch-up) or Jax, or skillshots vs targeted abilities. Garen, as much as I love him, is a horrible choice for top lane unless you get fed and he has no skillshots whatsoever.

if you really want to get into why aatrox is so weak right now i can oblige, but mostly yes, jax should fuck aatrox over every time just because of jax's E, negates the portion that makes aatrox do what he is designed for...

You have to look at him in an odd light, ALL of his abilities aside from his ult and default W requires hp as a cost, he has no mana but he costs his own life to do small things that he is supposed to be able to sustain through to survive. Now let us look at one thing that really pisses me off to no end about aatrox's kit.

Q a point and click dash that can knock up the target if you land them in the middle circle, a dead mechanic of middle does something better than outside or vice versa, that is only on him i believe now, after Soraka had it removed, or if you think Darius Q counts at all but imo doesn't. anyways back on point, this ability cost 10% his current hp, FUCKING 1/10 of your hp to get in or out, AND CAN BE INTERRUPTED AT ANY TIME DURING IT, at least jax has an instant jump. click, BOOM, reaction, but aatrox jump has an initial delay on cast and is one of the reasons he is so clunky.

W can't be powerful or be oppressive, but the trouble is there is so much fucking hard cc in the game the 1 sec stun seals his fate because he can't sustain to stay alive and he dies.

E so high a cooldown that it isn't a reliable farm tool under lane freezes and once again, costs health, and if you can't get w to regen, your wasting your hp even more.

Passive blood well. His bloodwell gives him 30-55% AS based on level when it is filled, now it also ties to his revive passive, so in the middle of a fight he is losing, and pops passive, YEY i have a chance to come back and live... without the 30-55% AS that resulted in a losing battle anyways, i don't understand why it is designed to hinder you in situations you need it the most.

I play Aatrox a bunch when i can, but with the cancer that is the top ranged meta, I can't do shit even more now. and because of this fucker Gnar , item 3022 is even worse on him than before, and it was a niche item that gave him sticking power and cc to make his ult shine more, but nope, it is very underwhelming now on an already underperforming champ.

But riot has no problem buffing vayne when she is weak (and soulstealer vayne comes out with you able to buy gemstones shortly after...), or changing AA's so Riven is stronger and champ skin sells more. But Aatrox isn't popular and doesn't make riot money so he doesn't get any chance to be good or any chance to get any fucking buff at all, the last change to him was 5.11 which lowered his passive CD at higher levels...

a simple CD buff to E, or Q, lowering Q cost, anything that makes him stronger without changing hard stats would at least make him at least have a fighting chance. because currently the only thing that has any chance of doing any nice damage is cheesing AP Aatrox item 3152 with his ult 1/1 ap ratio and 200/300/400 ap nuke, a sad shell to the ad AS fighter he is supposed to be.

PermabannedGarenOct 15, 20161 votes

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I'm confident he can duel anybody late game and come out the victor, which is fitting due to his lore.

Nasus dumpsters Jax late game one on one.

Chad ChadlainnOct 17, 20161 votes

Depends on how many stacks he gets though. If you have 200 stacks 40 minutes in, you're not going to be very threatening.

EndlessSorcererOct 13, 20163 votes

The difference between targeted and untargeted abilities is primarily one of reliability versus versatility.

That said, skillshots will generally have more range, can be used without vision of the target and are more frequently AoE which all add significant amounts of power.

Perma CCOct 14, 20163 votes

I think this literally has nothing to do with Jax or Aatrox. You are referring to a game that you probobly lost vs a Jax that 1v5'd your team faster the you could kill the Jax's. But you are analyzed the game and why you lost in a bad way. Have you ever considered that maybe their support peeled better for their team? Or maybe your support was just not doing it? There are so many other factors in a game then just you and your lane opponent. There is no exact proof that Jax is better then Aatrox... in fact I'm fairly certain that Aatrox would win a 1v1 with Jax late game if you had the correct build and outplayed the Jax's stun. But none of that really matters... you're trying to blame Riot for a loss that you sustained... and your only mindframe is that Jax is skill less and Aatrox requires skill and that Jax provides more to a team... When you really should be looking at the entire game as a whole and seeing what took place. I doubt it was just a game that was decided by you and Jax... Also just for clarification. Jax isn't all skillshots. His stun is not targeted... and can be avoided and outplayed. How a Jax uses his stun and his cooldowns is very particular and can make or break a Jax.

FailogOct 14, 20161 votes

Dude what the hell are you talking about? Please get over yourself and you amateur analysis of me and your patronizing tone. Go feed your ego on some other post.

Perma CCOct 14, 20162 votes

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Dude what the hell are you talking about? Please get over yourself and you amateur analysis of me and your patronizing tone. Go feed your ego on some other post.

Wait you are silver 5, this completely explains your attitude. You have no desire to improve if you did you wouldnt be so confrontational when being subjected to the harsh reality of you're newbish thought process. :/ it's sad because until you can humble yourself and accept advice you wont ever climb...

FailogOct 14, 20161 votes

Listen to me you stupid fuck, I main Aatrox for 2 reasons

1)he is not popular 2)he is weak

I play games for challenge. I know what he is. You offered no advice. Get off your god damn high horse and get over your inflated ego.

Perma CCOct 15, 20162 votes

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Listen to me you stupid fuck, I main Aatrox for 2 reasons

1)he is not popular 2)he is weak

I play games for challenge. I know what he is. You offered no advice. Get off your god damn high horse and get over your inflated ego.

Holy you are toxic... if you don't quit league first because you are bad you'll get banned. Calm your tits. My advice is to stop playing Aatrox because he is weak af right now until Riot reworks him which they plan to do in the future. You can't bitch (Before you message me "I CAN BITCH ALL I WANT" its a figure of speech chill your fucking tits) about a champion that has already been stated to be weak and needing of a rework by Riot themselves. All I told you is that you should make your analysis based on everything that takes place in a game not just the things you want to focus on. Jax doesn't scale better then Aatrox, they are both entirely different champions both with entirely different thematic goals. They both offer something completely different to a team. The only problem right now is that Aatrox is super shit right now because the last time he was good he was broken beyond belief. The problem there is that his kit is very difficult to balance as is. Thus, Riot has specifically stated that they plan to rework him in the future. Meaning he will have one or more abilities completely changed. Instead of jumping the gun though and blaming Riot, you should look at yourself and wonder why you are where you are. What can you do better to improve at the game. I have several friends that actually main Aatrox and are in high plat and diamond. Aatrox has the potential to still get there despite his weaknesses.

Anyways, I'm not going to sit here and argue with you because you have a pride issue. The fact that someone that is higher rank then you is even posting here tilts you and sets you off, which is sad. I'm not on no high horse. I'm giving you my opinion... from someone that actually has experience on this game and understands how to climb. You were the one that started with the name calling... My first post was just my own opinion of what you posted about based on experience with friends at your experience level bitching about the same things. Anyways GL in the future. I noticed you added me on League. If you intend to have a friendly debate or casual discussion with me fine. But if you come into my chat box talking shit, I'm instantly going to delete you. But if you wanna talk to me like an adult and be calm then fine we can talk. If not you can just delete me. :P

FailogOct 16, 20161 votes

Blah blah blah. YOU started in on ME and when I don't tolerate your snide remarks you try to turn it around as if I'm toxic? I didn't read your reply, nor will I any future ones. Good day.

PermabannedGarenOct 15, 20163 votes

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So like....I mean, shouldn't champions that require more skill in skills shot have potentially more power?

And yet, we have Jax who scales better than Aatrox, and is so easy to you use you can win with him out of the gate first time ever using him, requires no skill shots, all point and click....and Aatrox requires you hit your dives and pokes, doesn't scale as well and doesn't have a kit that items sync with as well as Jax.

Jax is more difficult than Aatrox. Aatrox is one of the easiest champions in the game.

Being bad and being difficult are not synonymous.

FailogOct 16, 20161 votes

Thinking Jax is easier than Aatrox is what people say who try him a couple times but don't main him.

Aatrox requires a balancing act for his build, and his highly dependent on more marginal judgement calls.

If you don't main him, you won't understand that.

PermabannedGarenOct 16, 20163 votes

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Thinking Jax is easier than Aatrox is what people say who try him a couple times but don't main him.

Aatrox requires a balancing act for his build, and his highly dependent on more marginal judgement calls.

If you don't main him, you won't understand that.

Whatever you have to tell yourself to feel special about maining Aatrox, lol.

FailogOct 16, 20161 votes

I am special. You are not.

SintamaOct 13, 20162 votes

"Balance" would be to see more than the same 15 champions in every game. Out of 133 champions, there are 15 that are god-tier. 15 that are stronger and better in every single way.

FailogOct 13, 20161 votes

Exactly! If the game was even CLOSE to be being balanced, why are the same ones always banned or picked? While the other 100 + are not?

McFatalOct 13, 20162 votes

meanwhile Kennen xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

five oh tree Oct 13, 20162 votes

Aatrox is just an exceptionally shitty champ right now, mostly because when he's overtuned at all he's one of the most oppressing champs in the game. do you remember release trox? Not fun to fight. So they have to be careful in what buffs to give him. He just needs a rework.

McFatalOct 13, 20162 votes

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Aatrox is just an exceptionally shitty champ right now, mostly because when he's overtuned at all he's one of the most oppressing champs in the game. do you remember release trox? Not fun to fight. So they have to be careful in what buffs to give him. He just needs a rework.

and kennen is fun to fight?

FailogOct 13, 20161 votes

Yes, but, are you telling me that a billion dollar company in 2 years couldnt find the resources or creativity to fix aatrox without making him OP? Its horseshit. They definitely could. It just didnt fit their agenda of pumping out new champions for more revenue. And the new champions are not even that interesting or great. Many of them are hardly even seen. I think I see bard the most, but never Sol, hardly Kindred...

five oh tree Oct 13, 20162 votes

The teams for reworks and teams for champion creations are different teams. There have just been more important champions to rework than aatrox. And honestly? a slight tap could either break the champ or have no effect at all. A numbers tweak will also have little to no effect on his kit's problems. He needs a legit full rework, and he'll eventually get one. Stop whining about riot's agendas unless you get a red response supporting your claims.

FailogOct 14, 20161 votes

I will whine as much as I god damn please. Get the fuck over yourself.

He doesn't need a full rework. That is just what unimaginative people who have never put Aatrox thorough a few thousand ranked matches say--including the clowns at Riot.

Did I mention I will whine as much as I god damn well please? Go away.

Perma CCOct 14, 20162 votes

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I will whine as much as I god damn please. Get the fuck over yourself.

He doesn't need a full rework. That is just what unimaginative people who have never put Aatrox thorough a few thousand ranked matches say--including the clowns at Riot.

Did I mention I will whine as much as I god damn well please? Go away.

You're aggressive response justifies literally everything I said. The fact that you are getting sooo worked up by it just tells me that everything I said is true and that you just cant handle being told the truth. :P

five oh tree Oct 14, 20162 votes

Lmao. You're clearly too bad to understand why he's bad. Interruptable gap closer/his only hard cc means even one hard cc can ruin him. Reliance on autoattacks to draintank means kiting and blinds ruin him. Even if his numbers were puffed up by a good bit, he would still have these weaknesses and still be shit compared to all other dive fighters. He has poor synergy with most items. He needs a fucking rework. Stop pissing yourself and grow the fuck up. No numbers change is going to make him viable again unless they make his numbers higher than any other champ on the roster.

FailogOct 14, 20161 votes

Wow, okay, you really dont think I know why Aatrox is in a bad state? "EVEN if his numbers were puffed up", is what you said. You pigeon holed any ideas of fixing him as he is into a numbers buff.

So, genius, lets talk about how to fix Aatrox that doesn't involve a numbers change. I like how you just make that the entire basis for your arguments as if nothing else could be possible.

1)Dark Flight is immune to CC while Bloodwell is full 2)When Bloodwell is full, Blades of Torment mark effected enemies for a few seconds (to help chase into a bush) and do a small amount of bonus magic damage 3)Attack Range increased from 125 to 150 4)Massacre pulls effected enemies towards him (think Diana, and also, he is already pulling life out of them to fill his bloodwell, so it may as well pull with so much forced that he pulls them towards him).

I would start with that. It wont change his sustain in anyway, but it will give him some better chase down ability and provide a good engage or escape for players who can keep his bloodwell full. The ult will provide more team fight utility.

You need to calm the fuck down with YOUR rage. I have mained Aatrox for a long time on multiple accounts and you honestly are just parroting what you hear or see other people saying about him. You have no idea what you are even talking about.

five oh tree Oct 15, 20162 votes

He is still going to be sub-par if this happened. All other dive fighters are still going to be better than him.

Idea 1. That's fine, but unless he just came from split pushing, he's going to use that to initiate before his bloodwell is full and still be shit Idea 2. Damage won't solve this unless it's stupidly high bonus damage, in which case he'll be a worse lee sin (not that he already isn't, in a way.) Idea 3. This should just happen anyway, wouldn't solve his kit's problems though. Idea 4. This could help, but at the same time his niche of being a drain tank relying on autoattacks won't work well with this because he's going to pull people with hard cc closer to him.

I've played aatrox. quite a bit. You whined and bitched at me and acted like a child. "I'll whine as much as I goddamn please. Get the fuck over yourself."? Nice. Really convincing people with that argument. I also love all the upvotes you got on this post from your brilliant ideas.

Next, I'd like to point out THAT ADDING NEW MECHANICS TO ALL OF HIS ABILITIES COUNTS AS A REWORK.

He should get all 4 ideas, sure, but that's not going to solve his core problem of being a melee attacker with no guaranteed hard cc that relies on gaining health from autoattacks. That identity simply won't work unless he's overtuned to a stupid point.

Want to know what would help him? 50% tenacity during his ult. His Q's cooldown being cut in half. Getting a new passive. Being able to steal health without autoattacks, or making it so he can autoattack through stuns.

All of this would be part of a rework though.

FailogOct 16, 20161 votes

"You whined and bitched at me and acted like a child. "I'll whine as much as I goddamn please. Get the fuck over yourself."? Nice. Really convincing people with that argument. I also love all the upvotes you got on this post from your brilliant ideas.?

I don't care if I convince you. I don't tolerate people like you who post on MY thread and immediately start talking down to me. You are nothing to me after that. I lashed out at you because of the attitude you used when responding to my post initially. And I would do it again. You don't deserve politeness or respect, because you started in with the opposite immediately.

Honestly people like you really boggle my mind--you respond to my post by attacking me with a condescending attitude and then act like I'm the problem when I talk harshly to you in response to your attitude.

five oh tree Oct 16, 20162 votes

You don't tolerate lmao. You have -6 on this post. No one thinks this thread is worth anything. Additionally, this is a thread you made ON RIOT'S BOARDS. They don't tolerate aggression lmao. and this childish behavior is part of that reason. I can state my opinion, as this is a discussion. You not agreeing with it is fine. But you acting like a toddler and feeling victimized and entitled to anything is going to make everyone see you like a whiny kid, including me. Respect me and my opinions or don't, I really couldn't care less, but please, stop being such an entitled, annoying little shit if you want people to respect your opinions at all.

FailogOct 16, 20161 votes

-6, that means I'm wrong, because truth is determined by popular vote right? Good one.

Riot doesn't tolerate aggression? Not blatant anwyays, they tolerate snide remarks by little pricks who are purposely trying to get under someones skin, but because they don't use any of the "wrong" words they don't get flagged.

Hmm stop acting like an entitled annoying little shit you say? I am their customer, as are you. I complained on a board that they host. And you come here and smack me down as if I don't have the right to express my displeasure with the product.

I'm sorry but you are beyond unreasonable.

five oh tree Oct 17, 20161 votes

I already know you're incorrect, and the -6 should be a good indicator to you about how many people like the way you're replying to them in the post. Sorry, -8 now. I didn't smack you down as if you didn't have the right to express displeasure, I just told you how stupid you sounded while doing it. Because you clearly assumed riot had the same teams working on new champs as they had working on champ reworks, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE STATED MULTIPLE TIMES THEY ARE DIFFERENT TEAMS.

I'm not beyond unreasonable, you just believe you know more than anyone else and that your opinion matters more than theirs lol.

FailogOct 16, 20161 votes

Idea 1 is not just fine, its great. His bloodwell will be full if hes team fighting and it will allow him to have a better escape or be able to lock down a carry.

Idea 2 you didnt comment on the blades marking the enemy---that is very important to help chase down champions that run into a bush.

Idea 4 you said "that could help". Dude CC is the most OP aspect of this game. Displacing 2 or 3 enemies with a short stun can be a huge advantage, and I think you really undervaluing that.

five oh tree Oct 16, 20162 votes

You did not explain that it gave vision, or what the conditions of this vision are, for idea 2.

With idea 1, he's probably going to die before he can fill his bloodwell at all. If not, he's too weak to warrant focus from anyone and it won't matter if you can't stop his q.

Idea 4 would also probably fuck him over. Imagine if diana had basically no aoe damage, burst, or shielding. Would she ever use her e in teamfights? Probably not.

FailogOct 16, 20161 votes

Idea 1, what are you talking about? I use his dive to engage and escape all the time. Many times per match. But suddenly according to you having it be immune to CC sometimes is of no value? I dive all the time with a full bloodwell.

Idea 2, was kept vague on purpose--its a general idea. Not having specifics doesnt't mean it has no merit as an idea.

Idea 4, Aatrox DOES have AOE though, with this ult. Do you not realize this? Also Diana doesn't come back to life or have built in sustain like Aatrox does, so the comparison about her dying isn't fair.

five oh tree Oct 17, 20161 votes

Diana would be trashtier if she relied on sustained damage. Aatrox relies on sustained autoattack damage to heal him. So bringing everyone on him is counterproductive for him. Again, I know what his kit does, and a flat amount of small magic damage on his ult that doesn't scale with how he builds barely qualifies as aoe.

As for Idea 1, I'm saying IT WILL NOT ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS OF HIS KIT. IT IS NOT EVEN NEEDED. BUDGET THE POWER ELSEWHERE.

Idea 2, you commented on how I didn't mention it in my last reply, and I told you why. Now you're telling me you intended to keep it vague? stop criticizing me on not mentioning it then.

TyroneWatermelonOct 13, 20162 votes

League is dying,and Riot are trying heir hardest. Everything has a beginning,and an end

MLDzXnRRROct 13, 20161 votes

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League is dying,and Riot are trying heir hardest. Everything has a beginning,and an end

The game was way better some years ago...

Edgy Katana ManOct 16, 20162 votes

Sorry the two billion dollar company couldn't find your diaper bag :/

ChalizardOct 13, 20161 votes

There have to be easy and really powerful champions in this game for new players or just for people that have no skill but want have higher rank. I don't like that too and I would love to see champions like him, Annie etc. removed but it's not worth for Rito at all.

I don't blame them, everyone wants to earn more money and this game is supposed to be not only for nerds but also for casual players and I would even say that except this fact they are at least trying to balance this game but here is another problem which is lcs.

It enlarged popularity of this game but also made Rito to balance champions for those pro players and they are mostly not playing champions that are broken for us but champions that have potential to outplay enemy so in their hands champions that nobody gives a damn starting to look op which most of people would never experienced cause almost noone could use full potential of this champ like pro players are doing.

In my opinion until we have lcs games and playing league of legends which is as much for experienced players as for casual ones this game cannot be balanced in the way I guess most of players would like it to be, which means you are rewarded mostly for your skill/knowledge/teamplay and there is only well played, not well picked.

Im not trying to attack Rito nor justify them I just try to explain how it works in my opinion and that it is harder than it seems to be.

NiyumiOct 13, 20161 votes

"Balance" in the world of F2P means "most lucrative." There will never be real balance in a game like this, or Riot would lose money.

FailogOct 13, 20161 votes

Yes OR they are just too stupid to come up with a business model that lets them balance and make money. Perhaps they just assume there is no other way. They are just people, and even successful people can be narrow minded.

LadyRenlyOct 16, 20161 votes

skillshots can hit enemies in fog of war, point and click requires you to have vision and be in range. just because something is point and click doesnt make it inherently unhealthy.

for example, take sonas q. you dont get control over what it hits and if someone goes into the brush you could potentially just hit minions.

DoktorKaiserOct 16, 20161 votes

Wtf are you talking about, Jax is one of my most played champs and honestly he is trash tier now (ok not really, but he is average at best). Its your fault that you want to play Aatrox who is left to be the biggest joke of a champion for at least 3 years and will get a VGU soon... You are playing League of Legends after all, if you want to win more constantly you HAVE to pick meta champs, just go Darius, Gnar, Irelia, Jayce, Kennen and enjoy at least having easier time playing if not boosting your win rate by quite a bit.