ludens echo nerf
so riot will nerf ludens ap ratio form 0.15 to 0.10. i just winder why you nerf this overhyped item that is far from strong. will never but it if the change go f´through. most overrated item ever
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Genuwhine2 votesyeah its not better than death cap as it is and is mainly for mobility nerfing it is dumb.
Penguin Eclipse2 votesI agree the echo is pretty overrated. There are a couple champions I have seen it have decent results on but most of the time there are other items that would be more optimal.
People can literally see results when buying the Echo. That's why they think it is so strong.
jDVL20eCYs1 votesbest comment today up vote. are you rely only level 15?
ZeeDrakon1 votesthats why it has become core on almost every AP champion...
jDVL20eCYs2 votesits not. its not more core then kid and dcap that is core on every ap champ. void and dcap is so much more core then ludens. so please
Svddenly1 votesIt's been a while since I've seen a Void Staff...
Yet I've seen Luden's every game I've been in...
jDVL20eCYs2 votesmaybe cause peoepl not buy mr in low elo. i mena i can play ap rengar in na plat elo but in dmodn eu elo people are smart to buy mr. low elo opinions is like asking a kid about global economics rules
Svddenly1 votesI build MR every game I need to. So I know at least someone on my team builds MR.
Penguin Eclipse1 votes[{quoted}](name=ekko or feed,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oV3INT9m,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2015-05-29T23:42:24.821+0000)
maybe cause peoepl not buy mr in low elo. i mena i can play ap rengar in na plat elo but in dmodn eu elo people are smart to buy mr. low elo opinions is like asking a kid about global economics rules
Considering the state of the global economy we might not be any worse off.
jDVL20eCYs1 voteswell isa cheating do pressing money don't lose value on doll.r threaten with your big guns. without your military you nothing.
Genuwhine1 votesyour also low elo and play vs players that dont know what to build.........
ImFlutterShy1 votesyour also low elo and play vs players that dont know what to build.........
ekko or feed is diamond 2 on EU which is something like challenger 700lp on NA.
Phife1 votesoverrated? you joking right?
Ludens adds 100 flat magic damage to your spells (not counting the 120 ap) and has an AOE proc. Overrated.
jDVL20eCYs1 votesi do 700 damge wiht just q on diana late game. but 100 falt damage so op. shame lichbane avtuly auto damage luden at every point of the game and outscale ludens hard
Fasmodey1 votes[{quoted}](name=ekko or feed,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oV3INT9m,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-05-29T23:00:14.313+0000)
i do 700 damge wiht just q on diana late game. but 100 falt damage so op. shame lichbane avtuly auto damage luden at every point of the game and outscale ludens hard
Lichbane is a strong item on every AP. You can buy Luden's Echo on anything but if you build lich bane on Xerath I will report you. ^^
jDVL20eCYs1 votesbut his passive tells me to auto :O
Phife1 votesfor in lane sustain, theres quite a difference.
Truly Prideful1 votesExcept Luden's is a damage increase for just hitting the Q like you normally do without requiring you to commit to melee range to proc it. It also hits in an AoE. Don't get me wrong, Lich Bane still scales well, but Luden's is being used by almost everyone at this point for a reason.
jDVL20eCYs1 votescause brosiz are trash. you buy luden on viktor you troll. luden on ori is troll. luden on fizz is troll, luden on ekko is troll(it suck on him and riot is brons noobs), its troll on swain and malzahar
Phife1 votesI dont have to hit someone in melee range / autoattacks to proc my ludens...
TimothyJ2221 votesDon't know very many mages that don't build it... Veigar is literally the only mage I can think of the top of my head that wouldn't build it.
SlytherinUmbreon1 votesRip in peace, .05% AP 
Erockandroll1 votesThey probably want to preserve Luden's Identity as an Early/mid game poke item. If Luden's starts replacing Rabadons as the core mid game item on every mage (regardless of their champions CD or AP Ratios.) it probaby wasn't in a heath position then.
I start seeing Luden's on Jungle nid. Her spears have good ratios, why does she need Ludens? Considering that she's going to build magus and Tear first, they already loose the early game spike from said item. (just something to keep in mind)
jDVL20eCYs1 votescasse people are idiots and no ludne cant replace dcap. dcap is also meant to be late game scaling item. its fucking bad. its just good to rush. then it scale into nothing on almsot all champs. i mena ofc 120 ap is nice. but dcap and zhonya just outperform it
Erockandroll1 votes[{quoted}](name=ekko or feed,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oV3INT9m,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2015-05-29T22:58:37.247+0000)
casse people are idiots and no ludne cant replace dcap. dcap is also meant to be late game scaling item. its fucking bad. its just good to rush. then it scale into nothing on almsot all champs. i mena ofc 120 ap is nice. but dcap and zhonya just outperform it
I disagree in several case. Luden's is probably being too spammy for the every offensive mage, but it is an offensive choice. Most mages with nearly entirely offensive kits would love ludens. Utility mages on the other hand Would need the Raw AP, for their heals and shields. Zonya's has an even nicher use if it's a rush item. Used mostly by engage mages (kennen, Liss) who can woop their way in, stun lock the enemy team, and Zonya's before taking any return fire.
FYI, the example I gave with Nid, was from an LCS match played TODAY.
jDVL20eCYs1 votesi saw the game. and void just so uch better on nida. void dcap. i dint agree with the pros all the time her luden just falled of when they did not snowball. but so is nida useless when bhind as all only damage no cc champ aka fiora, alkali,
Gubbies1 votesthey should keep it how it is and throw that one into aram like all of the other crap items
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