Buff thornmail.

MunchCrunchLunch·May 7, 2016·8 votes·367 views

Buff thornmail. its terrible.

6 Comments

TruckFump2016May 7, 20162 votes

Agreed. New thornmail borderline useless unless u build ALL armor.

67chromeMay 7, 20161 votes

Thornmail is more champion-specific than full armor build specific.

Vs. dedicated auto-attackers like Tryndamere and Tristana it's much better early than late as well: seeing as such champions need a combination of MR, life steal, and armor penetration to stop hitting themselves. Late-game dedicated auto-attackers tend to have all 3. Early they will not. Early on 100 armor is massive.

Issue with Thornmail is more that AD casters like Graves, Lucian, and Zed have pretty much always been the way to go within any given meta. Being half-caster in the case of marksman like Lucian means good bases for reliable early and mid-game damage along with a general resilience vs. armor passives like Omen, Tabi, Heart, Warden's Mail, and Thornmail.

Basically: Thornmail is really good at punishing unreliable champions that are easily punished, where thornmail is kind of garbage vs. extremely reliable champions that often sit atop any given meta.

Building full armor or no armor doesn't change that.

Also, buffs and nerfs to thornmail with it's current state largely run into a "Zed is even better, Twitch is even worse" scenario. Outside of making thornmail reflect all physical damage rather than just AA exclusive damage, which wouldn't be to oppressive given how accessible Death's Dance to everyone that would negatively impact.

CritkeeperMay 7, 20162 votes

bloodthirster is borderline useless unless you build ALL damage. That doesn't mean we should buff bloodthirster.

Some items are strictly stat bound to others. Thornmail is garbage unless you have enough armor to make it not garbage. Infinity edge is garbage unless you have enough crit chance to make it not garbage-- you'd be better off with an on hit item like botrk if you don't. Bloodthirster is garbage unless you have enough damage and penetration to make it restore meaningful amounts of health.

It might be possible to design an item system where every item is orhthogonal to every other, such that the choice of buying one item isn't influenced by the choices of items you've made thus far, but that just isn't the way league's item system works right now. Your choice of which item to buy is very much influenced by what items you already have.

MunchCrunchLunchMay 7, 20162 votes

bt is strong without much ad. and still really strong with a lot of ad. thornmail is useless without some 400-600 armor. and even then its weak.

dont compare oranges and apples.

CherysseMay 7, 20161 votes

Bloodthirster + Warlords is insane when you are low in health, Bloodthirster doesn't need buffs, your comparison is utterly terrible, Thornmail is at such a shitty state that I'd prefer to have it removed rather than keeping it this way, where it is uncapable of doing sht, considering both life steal and magic resist counter it, so just a bit iof any of them both will keep it at shit tier.