I been a faithful Katarina main for a long time and i'm just wondering when they will make her laning better? I'm not asking for much but right now everything sucks about her. She can't lane she can't team fight and well it just sucks.... Hail 
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Thanks riot Bouncing Blades (Q): Bouncing no longer decreases damage.* (change is there, tooltip not updated yet) AP ratio of mark consume damage increased to .2 from .15
3ofGot40ve4 votesshe can't team fight
Lol? is this.. a joke.. orr...??
FrankerX3 voteswhole thread is a joke i guess
Sinister Anubis1 votes[{quoted}](name=fishing l3g3nd,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oQEEwh4W,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-02-03T00:14:23.564+0000)
Lol? is this.. a joke.. orr...??
Cleaning up team fights is not team fighting thats sitting on the side line waiting to kick a field goal sometimes its at at goal line some times its at the 50 yard line.
3ofGot40ve2 votesClean up is still an important part about team fighting. Although she isn't directly in the team fight, that doesn't mean she doesn't have a niche. Her niche in fights is to go clean up aisle 5, and that's what she does.
Iceember1 votesAs an assassin who is literally designed to kill multiple targets in quick succession your only goal should be cleanup in teamfights. Otherwise you will get popped. I main Akali and both her and Kat have kits that have the sole purpose of either:
A: jump in, pop the adc/burst mage, leave/zhonyas.
B: Run up behind their team as they disengage and pop anyone with a healthbar under 50% (75% if they are squishy)
As for landing phase: eh. As a Katarina you have lots of poke via q and a pretty deadly lv3 combo. If you are still struggling after lv3 it has to be something you are doing as that's when I find a good aggressive Kat player will force me under tower. If not you can always roam and pick up kills. One of my last few games I nearly lost to a Kat because she roamed while 0/2/0 and got super fed.
Sinister Anubis2 votesAs an assassin who is literally designed to kill multiple targets in quick succession your only goal should be cleanup in teamfights. Otherwise you will get popped. I main Akali and both her and Kat have kits that have the sole purpose of either:
A: jump in, pop the adc/burst mage, leave/zhonyas.
B: Run up behind their team as they disengage and pop anyone with a healthbar under 50% (75% if they are squishy)
As for landing phase: eh. As a Katarina you have lots of poke via q and a pretty deadly lv3 combo. If you are still struggling after lv3 it has to be something you are doing as that's when I find a good aggressive Kat player will force me under tower. If not you can always roam and pick up kills. One of my last few games I nearly lost to a Kat because she roamed while 0/2/0 and got super fed.
You can not pop the adc when legit every suppoer and most adcs can stop your ulti. Also not to mention her winrate is super low right now even among kat mains. Poking results in her getting caught a lot of the times and its a very weak poke. Also she doesn't farm well vs most mids and with her q.
Iceember1 votesYour Q? The one with 700 range that bounces off of 5 targets? You get caught out using that to poke in lane? W0t?
Akali has a super low wunrate right now too and an even lower pickrate.
As for farm. Do you mean waveclear? Because once again Katarina has better waveclear than Akali. Its not terribly difficult to manage to farm on either of them otherwise though as all you have to do is steer clear of as much poke as managable and then poke/kill them whenever possible otherwise go roam. If you want to know a hard champ to farm on try Janna. Her autos at early levels literally do no damage to minions or even champs for that matter.
Sinister Anubis1 votesYour Q? The one with 700 range that bounces off of 5 targets? You get caught out using that to poke in lane? W0t?
Akali has a super low wunrate right now too and an even lower pickrate.
As for farm. Do you mean waveclear? Because once again Katarina has better waveclear than Akali. Its not terribly difficult to manage to farm on either of them otherwise though as all you have to do is steer clear of as much poke as managable and then poke/kill them whenever possible otherwise go roam. If you want to know a hard champ to farm on try Janna. Her autos at early levels literally do no damage to minions or even champs for that matter.
Akali has better kill potiental then kat and better burst but this thread isn't about akali vs kat. And yes kat gets caught alot trying to poke with q also the spell is extremely weak and it degrades on each bounce. Also trying to tell me to farm on janna is troll as fuck when she is a support only champion and yes i'v played her mid as ap and ad and its easy to farm with ap janna setting up q let it charge and kill wave not to mention ad janna is just as easy with a long range AA and AD boosting shield. I feel your entire reply is troll.
Iceember1 votesAnd I feel your entire thread is a troll when kat is perfectly fine in the current meta. My relations as akali vs kat is so I can relate my experiences on a midlane ap assassin with a very similar kit and playstyle.
I throw janna into the mix because you talk about having a tough time farming. That is a you problem more than a champ problem. Especially when there are champs (like janna) who have wayyy less auto attack damage/ slower autos and struggle much more with last hits than kat.
"Extremely weak poke" hold up while I pull up wiki to laugh at this a bit more. Katarina does 60 base damage with a 45% ap scaling and each bounce reduces damage by 10% to a max of 50% less on last target hit. Mind you the range is 675 units and your lane opponent is not always last thing hit.
Also explain to me how on a 675 range + bounces ability do you get caught out? How? Do you stand under their tower q-ing and expecting not to get a jungler to the face. Not to mention at level 3 you have the ability to ward jump away if ganked...
Teeter Dance2 votesOf course her laning is going to be weaker to compensate for the fact that she can poke whenever her skills are off cooldown.
Sinister Anubis3 votes[{quoted}](name=Teeter Dance,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oQEEwh4W,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-02-03T00:27:01.099+0000)
Of course her laning is going to be weaker to compensate for the fact that she can poke whenever her skills are off cooldown.
Poking with her Q is super weak and puts her in more danger then if she wasn't to poke at all. Not to mention the high cooldown of it.
Sinister Anubis2 votesAkali and kat does not have similar kits at all. you are insane. I gave my reasons and i do main her so i think its safe to say i would know what kind of state shes in, in this current meta hell even scarra said shes in the top 10 worst champions. So its safe to say shes not fine in this current meta. You just want to argue for no reason
Best Valor NA1 votesScarra is in a higher elo, Only some things work there. Here, in bronze, silver, and gold, Pretty much anything will work.
Sinister Anubis2 votesBouncing Blades (Q): Bouncing no longer decreases damage.* (change is there, tooltip not updated yet) AP ratio of mark consume damage increased to .2 from .15
Riot listened :D
Iceember1 votesGo read again. Said a similar kit not the same. Anyways all your skills do more damage not to mention nearly free poke, an escape, and an ulti that can wipe 1/2 the enemy team. I dont know what more you want...
As it stands over 1/2 the champs in the game aren't in the meta right now either but this is a very mid-game oriented meta and assassins do quite well in games that last 30-40 minutes.
Sinister Anubis1 votesGo read again. Said a similar kit not the same. Anyways all your skills do more damage not to mention nearly free poke, an escape, and an ulti that can wipe 1/2 the enemy team. I dont know what more you want...
As it stands over 1/2 the champs in the game aren't in the meta right now either but this is a very mid-game oriented meta and assassins do quite well in games that last 30-40 minutes.
go read again i said they do not have similar kits at all.
Iceember1 votesA q that marks the target and pops for more damage, a dash to a target, and an AoE spin with approx 125 range. NOPE not similar at all.
Sinister Anubis1 votesA q that marks the target and pops for more damage, a dash to a target, and an AoE spin with approx 125 range. NOPE not similar at all.
They arnt at all. Akali is single target damage with mad sustain katarina is aoe. Not to mention akali has stealth and way more mobility then kata being kata needs resets to even shunpo.
Iceember1 votesWhich as a good Katarina (im assuming you are good if you claim to be a main) knows how to get. Again I say similar, not same. Im not claiming they are the same champion or they play like the same champion either. It's like Jhin vs Cait. both have a long range ulti, a snare mechanic, large damage scalings, and a place-able trap. Now the kits aren't the same and for Jhin you play around the reload mechanic and 4th bullet extra damage where as cait you focus poke/trades on your snare/6th bullet mechanic. As I mention different champions i never mean to say that they are the same or that they even play as if they are the same. What i mean is that they have kits that play much like the other and that the differences aren't as large as you make em out to be. Not to mention both are underplayed in the current meta, both are considered underpowered in the current meta, yet both are very capable of 20-0 stomps in almost every game.
Sinister Anubis1 votesWhich as a good Katarina (im assuming you are good if you claim to be a main) knows how to get. Again I say similar, not same. Im not claiming they are the same champion or they play like the same champion either. It's like Jhin vs Cait. both have a long range ulti, a snare mechanic, large damage scalings, and a place-able trap. Now the kits aren't the same and for Jhin you play around the reload mechanic and 4th bullet extra damage where as cait you focus poke/trades on your snare/6th bullet mechanic. As I mention different champions i never mean to say that they are the same or that they even play as if they are the same. What i mean is that they have kits that play much like the other and that the differences aren't as large as you make em out to be. Not to mention both are underplayed in the current meta, both are considered underpowered in the current meta, yet both are very capable of 20-0 stomps in almost every game.
look me up and then ask me again if i main her :P
SnugglePuggle941 votesYea that "ulti that can wipe 1/2 the enemy team" can be nullified by one form of CC. In this land of mega CC meta, bam you're dead especially if you jumped in with E and didn't get any resets.
Best Valor NA1 votesWell she can pretty much avoid ganks easily, that's something.
Sinister Anubis2 votes[{quoted}](name=Best Valor NA,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oQEEwh4W,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-02-03T05:54:09.402+0000)
Well she can pretty much avoid ganks easily, that's something.
She can only avoid ganks if she has something to jump to which isn't always the case when your warding to prevent invades.
Best Valor NA1 votesAnd minions :b.
Sinister Anubis1 votesOnly if the minions are coming to lane not in middle of the lane there is legit no point in jumping to them.
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Sinister Anubis1 votesAdds nothing to the conversation good job
Z Statistic1 votes'Comeback Katarina' is a thing for a reason, you know. She can easily get back into the game where any other champion would have just been left in the dust.
Sinister Anubis1 votesThats not true. The game is built for comebacks. Any champion or team can comeback in the game if played with their team correctly. Idk how many times i shut my lane opppenite down and they come back. If anything katarina has the hardest time of doing this because of how easy it is to shut her damage down. I don't know any other champions that put them selves in danger to use their ulti and get completely shutdown.
Z Statistic2 votesA katarin could be afk for 15 minutes, have sorc shoes and be lvl 7 vs a team of 5 lvl 11 enemies with 4 lvl 11 teammates.
Her team is not fucked, and she still has a very large chance of contributing to team damage.
You do not understand how easily Katarina can bounce back.
Sinister Anubis1 votesThis isn't true at all. Playing vs a competent team there is no chance for her to come back. You also don't even know who you are talking to when it comes to playing katarina and know her in's and outs. I been a katarina main since season 1 and have been as high as plat. Not saying plat is the best but i am saying with over 5k games as katarina i think i know what i am talking about. All her damage is loaded into her ulti and it can be stop by any competent team. Right now with the meta champions that are in the game just about everyone can stop her and the bruiser/tank meta really shuts her down. She needs to be buff which riot is going to do next patch. Idk if its a step in the right direction but i am thinking it is seeing how procing her marks gives very little reward for placing her self in danger.
Edit; just looked you up and you have no experience playing her at all. So i don't even see your comments to being relevant to her.
Z Statistic1 votesobviously I don't have to be able to play as her to talk about my experience of playing WITH and against her.
And I'm pulling more from my diamond's friends' experience anyway: 'just protect her and give her an opening. She comes back easily.' Why do you think she has such easy counterplay?
Sinister Anubis1 votesThe counter play is any type of cc and i do mean ANY will stop 90% of her damage. All of her abilitys besides w is on high cooldowns. All her damage is loaded into her ulti. Sure you can sit on the side lines watch your team 4v5 and hope you can go in to clean up but the truth is you most likely wont clean up because your base stats hp wise and armor/mr is extremely shit and you'll pop like a bubble the damage reduction on e doesn't last long enough to do anything and you'll just get cc by everything and just die before you can really do anything. The meta does not favor her at all. Also if you'd ask scarra about katarina a former pro player and katarina main he will tell you and has told people many times on his stream katarina right now is bottum 10 worst champions and she needs help or else there is no reason to play her.
I really dislike anyone telling me what my champion can and can not do when i really do main her and i really do have over 5k games on her throughout the seasons. Basically what you are doing is saying man i can fix your car for you i was told by my mechanic friend who works at dodge how to do it, and yet you have no experience at all working on any car. You wouldn't even know what your looking at or where to start. I hope you can see my point there.[slayer-jinx-catface]
Z Statistic1 votesAnd yet your experience doesn't line up with mine in the slightest. I don't get feeding Katarinas on my team, even when she was a popular pick. Maybe that's because I'm a support person, so I'm always ready to peel for the carries regardless of what champion I play.
You can check Champion.gg. Katarina's winrate by games played as her shoots up quite quickly once you have 125+ games under your belt. In fact, it's only slightly worse than Azir's winrate at 125+ games. He's got a high skill ceiling, and he's also shit with little experience. Katarina seems to have a similar skill curve though not as drastic. While a lot of champions behave like this, most have a variance of about 3-4%, whereas she has almost 10% (and Azir almost 20%).
Telling me you have 5k games is actually suggesting to me more than you are simply biased to your own playstyle, not that you know most of everything about how to play her. I was in the same boat with Pantheon, as I would always swear by offtank/full-tank Pantheon instead of assassin.
I don't know what to tell you about to improve that though. She has above expected pick rate mid (~3%) and significantly high winrate when you have tons of experience (~53%). Champion.gg doesn't cross-reference variables, so I'm not sure what you could look for to change your game.
If you're as experienced with her as you say you are, then you should be able to pull a Descartes: scrap everything and rebuild your playstyle from the ground up based on iterative, empirical evidence of what works and what doesn't.
Sinister Anubis1 votesI know how to play her very well. Don't just assume look me up. There is a reason why shes getting buffed next patch. My point about katarina is there is a lot that sucks about her. It has nothing to do with my play style its her design and current stats. But as i told you before unless you played her for a decent given amount of time you'll realize it takes way to much work to play her not only properly but to even get the chance to make the plays you need/want to make with her. I honestly think what should happen is for about .5 seconds her ulti should not be able to be canceled. This still leaves room for counter play but it also opens a window for katarina to try and get the resets she needs to be playable on a high rate. Since you want to use op.gg why not look up her winrates in higher elo you'll see not only is she not being picked nearly as often but her winrate sucks. Also you want to compare 2 completely different champions and play styles and yet Katarina was suggested as a easy recommended champion and azir a extremely high skill cap champion and both are sitting near each other.
In looking in diamond teri right now She sits at a average 43-44% winrate with less then a 2% pick rate. Master teir is even worst with an even less pick rate at under 1%. If she was good Should would have a pick rate of about 19% like arhi with nearly a 50%+ winrate in diamond and in masters ahri has nearly a 18% winrate with nearly a 56% winrate average. So yes shes not in a good spot. you are welcome to go check my numbers.