BUFF TALON MANA REGEN IF YOU REMOVE CRYSTALINE FLASK

Indominus Blade·Nov 1, 2015·49 votes·2,673 views

riot you said you will buff mana regen of champions that needed crystaline flask, so go buff Talon mana regen, ty.

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pripustasNov 1, 201513 votes

I actually start long sword on Talon. Once you get more experienced it's easier to manage. And long sword helps with lane trades and last hitting (Talon has only 55 base AD) Now, that being said, I was always buying 1 mana potion at the start, and then end up buying an average of 5 more during the game. He is very mana dependent.

Also Pantheon Trundle need mana buffs. Idk how many mana pots (+flask, you can do nothin without flask) I end up buying on these guys, but I would estimate about 20 per game.

Indominus BladeNov 1, 20155 votes

I am diamond 3, experience has nothing to do with it. They should buff mana regen of all champs that used crystaline flask.

pripustasNov 1, 201516 votes

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I am diamond 3, experience has nothing to do with it. They should buff mana regen of all champs that used crystaline flask.

Being d3 means nothing. We're talking about a champion, not about your elo. I agree, all champions who use flask and mana potions should get a hard buff in mana regen.

RalanrNov 1, 20152 votes

So far it looks like they buffed mana size. That's gonna be lovely...

pripustasNov 1, 20151 votes

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So far it looks like they buffed mana size. That's gonna be lovely...

Well they added 50mana. That's not rly anything. I think they are afraid to give mana regen, because of the new masteries. But no one will get those on AD champs..

RalanrNov 1, 20151 votes

I don't know, I've been considering using the cunning tree for some toplaners, like Pantheon . I think most assassins (and before people get into an argument about what is and what isn't an assassin, I have a forum topic where you can voice your opinion. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/jE72ynIM-what-makes-an-assassin ) will benefit from putting points in the cunning tree.

junglerboy16Nov 1, 20152 votes

The masteries aren't clear-cut offense/defense/utility anymore, there are plenty of powerful offense options in the cunning tree right alongside the utility it provides (like free flat pen, which is a pretty strong commodity for a burst assassin now that LW and co. only give % bonus pen).

LlaniteNov 1, 20152 votes

So you bring back to lane 50 more mana than you do right now. That's a flask free of charge.

pripustasNov 2, 20154 votes

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So you bring back to lane 50 more mana than you do right now. That's a flask free of charge.

That's a free charge of flask without health, yes. 7 more pls?

Minions4eVeRNov 1, 20152 votes

I do not want Pantheon to have mana regen buffs. The guy is just plain annoying to play against in lane with his Q spam all day. At least now, he'll have to be cautious in lane.

pripustasNov 1, 20156 votes

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I do not want Pantheon to have mana regen buffs. The guy is just plain annoying to play against in lane with his Q spam all day. At least now, he'll have to be cautious in lane.

Have you read your post? That's the whole point of Pantheon. He's a lane bully. If he can't spam Q and kill you in lane, he's worthless later.

RalanrNov 1, 20152 votes

And his lane is all he really has. Short of getting fed in lane, he's not great mid game. Late game he falls off no matter what.

OshletNov 2, 20152 votes

Maybe that suggests he has an unhealthy play pattern and may benefit from a small-scale rework?

RalanrNov 2, 20151 votes

Cept Riot sees him in a good place at the moment and won't consider it.

A rework to make his late game not fall off like crazy world be nice.

YfrappefortNov 2, 20153 votes

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I actually start long sword on Talon. Once you get more experienced it's easier to manage. And long sword helps with lane trades and last hitting (Talon has only 55 base AD) Now, that being said, I was always buying 1 mana potion at the start, and then end up buying an average of 5 more during the game. He is very mana dependent.

Also need mana buffs. Idk how many mana pots (+flask, you can do nothin without flask) I end up buying on these guys, but I would estimate about 20 per game.

Agreed Pantheon will need some nice mana regen buff and/or base mana buff. I like playing him top, and always started either flask/2 health/1 mana or long sword/2 health/1 mana. If I don't start flask, I end up buying 1-2 mana pots every back to make sure I don't oom too quickly. The removal of mana sustain will ruin his laning and beyond if he doesn't get proper compensation.

RalanrNov 2, 20151 votes

Worst case scenario, he'll get a kit rework in a year or two.

Or he's up for one. I don't know, but if he can't fulfill his basic function (which is to be a lane bully) then he'll need to get buffed or reworked. Course he can be played in the jungle (with all that mana sustain) but champions I feel he should be viable in toplane.

Edit: Which currently, he is. In my opinion.

kaltenashesNov 2, 20151 votes

Hope they buff instead of nerf irelia's XD

Emperor AntaresNov 2, 20151 votes

SAME EXACTLY THE SAME I ALSO GO long sword + 2 hp and 1 mana then later buy more mana potions till lvl 10 or so... but now mana potion got removed so ;(

CatSithNov 1, 20154 votes

Do people even read the whole update anymore? because they didnt remove it, they changed it.

CRYSTALINE FLASK (Price 345) > refillable potion 2 health charges (Price 150), upgrades to

Hunters potion (Price 400 250+150) heals health and mana 5 charges (additional 1 refill for killing large monsters) or

Corrupting potion (Price 500 350+150) 3 health and mana charges, one charge makes 1 spell or auto burns the opponent for 15-30 damage over 3 seconds.

READ BEFORE YOU QQ.

ChaosThiefNov 1, 20152 votes

Crystaline flask doesn't exist anymore. It's just called "refillable potion", which gives 100 hp over whatever seconds, 2 charges, for 150 gold, which then upgrades into the other ones.

CatSithNov 1, 20154 votes

The bases of the flask is still existing, they just changed the name to fit the upgrades. Did you even read my post?

ayNigerianPrinceNov 1, 20151 votes

Don't be like this guy.

AnomanderNov 1, 20154 votes

Whole new refillable potions.......

LajneenNov 1, 20153 votes

He should be a manaless champion.

RalanrNov 1, 20153 votes

Or at least use energy.

Oh you said manaless. I thought you meant resourceless.

LajneenNov 1, 20151 votes

Well I meant resourceless.

RalanrNov 1, 20151 votes

Ahh. Honestly I think he'd work well with energy. Not sure why it's not used more often.

LajneenNov 1, 20151 votes

Nah, Energy doesn't fit him at all.

Hotlin3 FlingNov 1, 20151 votes

Energy is ionia only, because lore

MAN OF INTELLECTNov 1, 20151 votes

His sister is manaless, makes sense.

RalanrNov 1, 20151 votes

Not blood related.

ShatoSummonerNov 2, 20151 votes

Not even like, adopted. Talon just works for the Du Couteau's more or less (albeit he is much more loyal than just a servant). I mean, cass legimitely is katarina's sister and she has massive mana costs lol.

kJsNov 1, 20152 votes

Honestly should just be an energy champion or something similar to energy.

ayNigerianPrinceNov 1, 20152 votes

He'd probably then need some pretty big number changes to his rake at least. That shit being even more spammable would be toxic as fuck in lane.

LajneenNov 1, 20151 votes

Spammable? It has a 10 second cooldown and deals pathetic damage. Also his laning phase is terrible, even if he was resourceless he would still be really weak in lane.

ayNigerianPrinceNov 2, 20152 votes

it's an easy to land ability that has great scaling and with a few levels, a long sword, and armor pen runes you can keep taking down the enemies hp bit by bit every 10 seconds. Mana keeps him from being able to do this as often. He has a fine late game, his early game doesn't have to be easy as fuck.

kJsNov 1, 20152 votes

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/10/1029-pbe-update.html#items1

It's actually getting a name change and a buff to its healing and admittedly a nerf to its mana sustain as well as getting a random DoT effect for nothing extra damage.

Corrupting Potion 500 Gold Limited to one type of Healing Potion. UNIQUE Active: Consumes a charge to restore 150 Health and 50 Mana over 12 seconds and grants Touch of Corruption during that time.Holds up to 3 charges that refill upon visiting the shop. Touch of Corruption: Spells and attacks burn enemy champions for 5-10 Magic damage over 3 seconds. (Half Damage for Area of Effect of Damage over Time spells. Damage increases with champion level.

Crystalline Flask 345 Gold Starts with 3 charges and refills each time you stop by your shop. Consumes a charge to restore 120 health and 60 mana over 12 seconds.

Keep in mind that everyone will be starting with 500 gold at spawn so this basically shoves all mana reliant champion's starting item as Corrupting Potion.

So Talon probably just needs a bit of of a mana regen buff. Or just buff mana sustain on Corrupting Potion.

RalanrNov 1, 20151 votes

I think you can buy the potion that builds into this for less and then get it later.

kJsNov 1, 20151 votes

As a Wukong player I think I will just opt to buy Corrupting Potion straight away. He really needs the mana sustain for early trades at top, though he doesn't really need it if it's a semi-passive lane. Helps with CSing with that extra magic damage as well. Also funny seeing Riot revert Doran's back to a flat health return after a whole season of %. Doran's gain of lifesteal was because Riot wanted Doran's Blade to have an impact in mid and mid-late game.

CasterGilgameshNov 1, 20151 votes

I would rather have riot buff talons damage then mana regen he can't go OOM if his opponent is already dead...

ayNigerianPrinceNov 1, 20151 votes

Damn, you should apply for a job at Riot.

LaughingMan11Nov 1, 20151 votes

Did you miss the part where they're adding a comparable replacement?

RebonackNov 1, 20151 votes

A lot of mana hungry champions are getting their base mana increased.

There's also a new Mastery that lets you regenerate 1.5% of your missing mana five seconds.

With those two combined, I suspect it should help out mana hungry champions considerably.

junglerboy16Nov 1, 20151 votes

Corrupting potion (which serves basically the same function as crystalline flask) is a solid starting item that efficiently uses all of your starting gold for a mix sustain and damage. Across all three charges it only gives 150 mana instead of 180 mana, but it also gives 450 total health for three charges (up from 360) and gives you a handy DoT effect that adds 5-10 damage per second after any trade (not sure if it stacks with itself or not).

Granted, it isn't perfect because currently you can go Crystalline flask+3 pots and have a lot more effective health for your very first stint in lane, but in the long run it is more efficient with the new corrupted potion.

DivewingNov 1, 20151 votes

Disagree. Talons lane phase is supposed to be weak, flask has always been pretty good at masking that. If you pick a high-risk, high-reward pick like talon, you shouldn't have flask to get you through to 6.

LajneenNov 1, 20152 votes

High reward?

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TadikenNov 2, 20151 votes

Long sword start is better tbh.

Blue Moon WolfNov 2, 20151 votes

I do know they are making separate refillable mana and health flasks that costs 150 gold each, but I do agree. They are giving a lot of champs mana buffs and quite a few champs are not getting one cause... reasons? If they are giving compensation buffs for that many champs, why can't the rest of them have the same buff? Some of those champs who are getting skipped are really mana hungry and this change is likely going to hurt them bad. The least they could do is give them more base mana to cope.

ShatoSummonerNov 2, 20151 votes

Talon: Base Mana: 327.2 -> 377.2 Increased by 50 Mana Per Level: 40 -> 37 Lowered by 3

No regen buffs, but he gained some base mana for a small scaling tradeoff.