Just drop it. Those weakness can't really be exploited and you are gonna get downvoted for not arguing for a solution to a proper nerf. Sure it might alleviate the issue until a nerf comes out and can be a great help if the champ is not too OP, but in all fairness, your explanations are just a means to mitigate the problem, not a one-trick solution to domination an OP champ.
makkii3 votesThe problem is 1. The champs being whined about arent neccessarily OP, and if you dont know how to counter it you might keep mistakingly thinking so.
Amd 2. People start throwing around "no counterplay" to justify their argument, even if there is.
DragonShea1 votesThe problem is 1. The champs being whined about arent neccessarily OP, and if you dont know how to counter it you might keep mistakingly thinking so.
Amd 2. People start throwing around "no counterplay" to justify their argument, even if there is.
There is OP, then frustrating and then there's 
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Personally I hate fighting against Yasuo because of his dashes and cheese Q, but he is not OP It's just I find him to be a pain in the ass but he is not OP. So I understand your argument. Some champs can't counter others and other times you just gotta change your playstyle or build to adjust to them.
My problem is that some people think that when a champion is legitimately OP or overtune, that they can still exploit their weaknesses when they are so strong that they cover up their weaknesses and thus negate it.
Mordepool1 votesThat's so true. I still see random Complaint threads stating Mordekaiser is OP with both those as the Sole reasons.
TEA Nietzsche 3 votesNo, you are the problem. Every champion has counterplay so by stating that some do not you are just baiting people into (rightfully) disagreeing.
If you want to explain why a champion is OP just base it on data first (eg: "winrate overall very high and people with little experience do very well while main have an insane winrate") and then explain why that is ("his strength work very well right now and counterplay xx is currently less effective because of meta).
Exaggerating will not help your case.
DragonShea1 votes[{quoted}](name=AI LMAO ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oGM58q99,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-07-24T20:34:46.941+0000)
No, you are the problem. Every champion has counterplay so by stating that some do not you are just baiting people into (rightfully) disagreeing.
If you want to explain why a champion is OP just base it on data first (eg: "winrate overall very high and people with little experience do very well while main have an insane winrate") and then explain why that is ("his strength work very well right now and counterplay xx is currently less effective because of meta).
Exaggerating will not help your case.
Excuse me? but insulting me is not gonna make your argument anymore appealing that it is, also you delibratly chose to say I did not say that no champion have no counterplay which is bullshit. I said that they are so strong that counterplay doesn't effect them as much as it should along with being generally stronger than other champions.
To quote myself and add a bit more context to the subject:
your explanations are just a means to mitigate the problem, not a one-trick solution to domination an OP champ.
What I was saying was that at best, such arguments can help to a small extent counter X champion, but at worse, would even matter as items, abilities or scaling will allow them to overcome x weakness.
So next time, don't my words out of context, you liar.
meowwow71 voteswhat about supports telling fellow supps that braum e is a twitch's worst nightmare
Mizaya1 votesAnd Riot most likely isn't going to care about your nerf threads, they nerf who they nerf, so the best you can do is learn how to play against the champion.