Malzahar.

Theorex··7 votes·1,938 views

For everyone to do this math with me here!

Level 6 Malzahar

Skills are E, Q, W, E, E ,R.

With item 3802 and item 3070

Malzahar is running Predator, Cheapshot, Eyeball Collector, Any hunter (Ultimate hat if placed her), Scorch, and Transcendence.

40 Ap from Lost Chapter + 18 from Runes + 2 from Eyeball Collector (saying two stacks).

Both Scorch and Cheap shot are 50 true damage combined.

Predator is 110 damage.

Q: 70 + (.65 x 60)= 109 Magic Damage W: 5 + 12 + 0 + (60 x .2)= 29 per auto attack E: 150 + (.8 x 60)= 198 Magic Damage over 4 seconds R [Beam]: 125 + (.8 x 60)= 173 damage over 2.5 seconds. R [Null Zone]: 1% + .15% Max HP per .5 seconds or 2.3% max hp per Second (Lasting up to 5 seconds)

919.8 * (.115/2) [Over 2 because only half of the 5 second duration]

Conditions are.

Zed has 37 Magic Resist and 919.8 HP at level 6. This isn't even considering any runes or items. 37 MR is about 27% damage reduction to magic damage. (This is may be over/under the actual value)

Zed does not sit in Null Zone longer than 2.5 seconds, Zed does not allow for Malzahar to get his E off of cooldown again, Zed does not have any additional MR or HP from items, and Voidlings getting 4 auto attacks off.

Assuming that Malzahar

Gets to summoner 4 E, Q, W, R. Malzahar 's damage output to someone like Zed with No additional MR or HP is 611.005.

This assumes that Malzahar 's voidlings gets 4 auto attacks off.

If we increase the voidlings auto attacks to 9 auto attacks that brings Malzahar 's damage from 611.005 to 716.855.

Now I want you to say that with Zed, who lands everything. LB who lands everything. Cass, Azir, and a number of other mages. Just think about it. I mean I get that mages aren't suppose to instantly kill things early. But if you let a Azir or Cass get you to where they want you to be, you will die in the same time frame.

For all of those people who actually say that Malzahar is a brain dead champion, clearly don't realize every Malzahar player has to play like a bitch because they know they can never kill someone by themselves without the other player making massive mistakes prior to it.

At higher levels after he gets items, he becomes a threat. But in lane he can't do anything. YOU HAVE TO MAKE MISTAKES.

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15 Comments

15422 votes

yep i've been testing on the training mode with the dummy and its really bad, what's worse they are tempted to make malz AD instead of AP, only to give some use to those voidlings, that from the start were just a secondary thing to malz they were just a passive that thanks to the jungle malz players got out of hand, and instead of nerfing the passive dmg they say fuck it lets move voidlings into an actual skill and nerf the whole kit.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

Yeah malz is braindead. Okay you can't 100% someone ALONE, but if you're jungle come the kill is 100% assured, at decent elo everyone know when malz is 6 you gank his lane. If you plat at bad elo... feel free to ping your jungler.

At higher levels after he gets items, he becomes a threat. But in lane he can't do anything. YOU HAVE TO MAKE MISTAKES.

its same if you want to kill malz on your own (due to his ult AND his passive)

Riot need to address his f*cking point and clic hard CC.

Beacon Academy5 votes

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Yeah malz is braindead. Okay you can't 100% someone ALONE, but if you're jungle come the kill is 100% assured, at decent elo everyone know when malz is 6 you gank his lane. If you plat at bad elo... feel free to ping your jungler.

its same if you want to kill malz on your own (due to his ult AND his passive)

Riot need to address his f*cking point and clic hard CC.

The shield is the problem. Not his Ult.

He'd be complete garbage without his safety net as I'd like to remind you that he was fine before his rework.

And don't pull that "He was just as toxic pre-rework as post-rework" shit on me.

We both know that if you're in a team fight and no one CC's old Malzahar during his

#700 range ult,

that its no ones fault but your team's for not:

saving a CC

or

having QSS

or

having DoT/Magic damage mitigation.

And if you got caught alone without the prior two things... You probably deserved it.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

The shield is the problem. Not his Ult.

clearly not. Shield is a part of the problem only due to this ult. But if riot should keep something it would be his passive. His ult is unhealthy and unfair. Sure it recquire no skill to point and clic for c*ckblock a player (and left them no option).

And don't pull that "He was just as toxic pre-rework as post-rework" shit on me.

who care ??? both version are toxic.

We both know that if you're in a team fight and no one CC's old Malzahar during his

totaly unrelated. I know how teamfight, and i know what fair and what's not.

And if you got caught alone without the prior two things... You probably deserved it.

[sg-lux-2] getting caugh ??? seems like you talk about an assassin [sg-miss-fortune]

Beacon Academy4 votes

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clearly not. Shield is a part of the problem only due to this ult. But if riot should keep something it would be his passive. His ult is unhealthy and unfair. Sure it recquire no skill to point and clic for c*ckblock a player (and left them no option).

Malzahar was the champ to shut down champs like fizz, zed, yasuo, Katarina, leblanc etc. Target abilities are sometimes necessary. Especially with all these mobile champions running around immobile champions.


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who care ??? both version are toxic.

And yet... Old Malzahar was nerfed once during a 5-6 year period... And it was to Null Zone due to Deathfire Touch.

Not to mention I've been watching the boards and the forums prior to that and guess what?

No one bitched about Malzahar on a massive scale.

And the small complaints about him basically told you what I said about:

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CC

or

having QSS

or

having DoT/Magic damage mitigation.


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totaly unrelated. I know how teamfight, and i know what fair and what's not.

So a shieldless squishy mage CC's himself for 2.5s, which is a lot of time, and you say its not fair to keep one person CC'd for 2.5s?


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[sg-lux-2] getting caugh ??? seems like you talk about an assassin [sg-miss-fortune]

INB4 I have to point out that pre-rework Malzahar was a Mage-Primary/Assassin-Secondary

Kanzler2 votes

Are you saying 700 range is a lot for a mage? It really really isn't.

Beacon Academy5 votes

{quoted}

Are you saying 700 range is a lot for a mage?

The opposite.

{quoted}

It really really isn't.

Exactly...

Theorex2 votes

Wait the hell up, if Malz can't full to zero you as any champion aside from Sona.

And you have burst that can kill him. There is almost 0 reason that you should feed him unless you are bad.

Even if he burns his ulti on you. He isn't going to get you low enough for you to be in immediate danger zone. It will take at least 2 more spells.

Riot needs to address point click hard CC? Okay while we are at it, we should remove all low CD dashes.

We don't need point click hard CC if there aren't any champions that have under at 10 second dash window for skills.

See that problem there? Kass, LB, Yas, Ekko, Camille, Fizz, Master Yi, etc. They all can dash/blink multiple times. The only way to stop them is with CC. And expecting people to land slow CC's like morg bind or anivia Q against someone like Yas, LB, Kass, etc. Isn't feasible.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

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Wait the hell up, if Malz can't full to zero you as any champion aside from Sona.

And you have burst that can kill him. There is almost 0 reason that you should feed him unless you are bad.

why are u talking about feeding him ???

Even if he burns his ulti on you. He isn't going to get you low enough for you to be in immediate danger zone. It will take at least 2 more spells.

i think you should change your way to see this game. When malz has his ult up, its same as a free kill for his team. But its dosn't mean he will kill alone. it mean, if his jungler has a decent brain he'll come and kill (i know before gold its unlikely to happen).

Riot needs to address point click hard CC? Okay while we are at it, we should remove all low CD dashes.

low cd dashes ?? unless yasuo (and kass), i don't see who you target. And no, you just need to improve your skills if you are unable to anticipate...

We don't need point click hard CC if there aren't any champions that have under at 10 second dash window for skills.

See that problem there? Kass, LB, Yas, Ekko, Camille, Fizz, Master Yi, etc. They all can dash/blink multiple times. The only way to stop them is with CC. And expecting people to land slow CC's like morg bind or anivia Q against someone like Yas, LB, Kass, etc. Isn't feasible.

i don't see issues with most listed here (unless leblanc). Poppy Singed Cassiopeia are more healthy for the game (against mobility ) than malz . You can argue if LB and cie are healthy or not, but its another topic.

Beacon Academy1 votes

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i think you should change your way to see this game. When malz has his ult up, its same as a free kill for his team. But its dosn't mean he will kill alone. it mean, if his jungler has a decent brain he'll come and kill (i know before gold its unlikely to happen).

I like how people are allowed to bitch about Malzahar not being alone and when I point out that Malzahar was a champion countered by having a 2v1 (With CC)... And that is considered unrealistic. (According to others I have used this argument against)


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low cd dashes ?? unless yasuo (and kass), i don't see who you target. And no, you just need to improve your skills if you are unable to anticipate...

And people bitch about flash R Malzahar!

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if you are unable to anticipate...


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i don't see issues with most listed here (unless leblanc). Poppy Singed Cassiopeia are more healthy for the game (against mobility ) than malz . You can argue if LB and cie are healthy or not, but its another topic.

So what you're saying is... Malzahar's ult needs to be an AOE skillshot that can affect multiple people... Right?

#I mean... All your examples are like that... Right?!

Dead flag blues1 votes

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Riot need to address his f*cking point and clic hard CC.

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Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

Hum... why do u list her ?? my point still stand for her, its even worse cause she's always meta.

DW Diana1 votes

{quoted}

For everyone to do this math with me here!

Level 6 Malzahar

Skills are E, Q, W, E, E ,R.

With item 3802 and item 3070

Malzahar is running Predator, Cheapshot, Eyeball Collector, Any hunter (Ultimate hat if placed her), Scorch, and Transcendence.

40 Ap from Lost Chapter + 18 from Runes + 2 from Eyeball Collector (saying two stacks).

Both Scorch and Cheap shot are 50 true damage combined.

Predator is 110 damage.

Q: 70 + (.65 x 60)= 109 Magic Damage W: 5 + 12 + 0 + (60 x .2)= 29 per auto attack E: 150 + (.8 x 60)= 198 Magic Damage over 4 seconds R [Beam]: 125 + (.8 x 60)= 173 damage over 2.5 seconds. R [Null Zone]: 1% + .15% Max HP per .5 seconds or 2.3% max hp per Second (Lasting up to 5 seconds)

919.8 * (.115/2) [Over 2 because only half of the 5 second duration]

Conditions are.

Zed has 37 Magic Resist and 919.8 HP at level 6. This isn't even considering any runes or items. 37 MR is about 27% damage reduction to magic damage. (This is may be over/under the actual value)

Zed does not sit in Null Zone longer than 2.5 seconds, Zed does not allow for Malzahar to get his E off of cooldown again, Zed does not have any additional MR or HP from items, and Voidlings getting 4 auto attacks off.

Assuming that Malzahar

Gets to summoner 4 E, Q, W, R. Malzahar 's damage output to someone like Zed with No additional MR or HP is 611.005.

This assumes that Malzahar 's voidlings gets 4 auto attacks off.

If we increase the voidlings auto attacks to 9 auto attacks that brings Malzahar 's damage from 611.005 to 716.855.

Hey buddy!

So you know my opinion regarding where malz is at so I won't bore you, but I will offer the below as something that I've been trying which actually helped a lot in regards to the OP.

Try electrocute. It has a good base damage and scaling, procs pretty easily (though you have to WANT it to proc meaning it tends to be up when you need it), and allows you at level 6 with a lost chapter to do about 900 damage. I know this is far from a 1 shot without hitting a q afterwards (which means they need to have no flash...against a malz...lol!) but if you're up against someone you can poke down at all then you kinda have some kill pressure (or tower-dive protection). I don't bother with Scotch (its crap) and Cheap Shot is only really worth anything once you get Rylais (though I have done about 2k damage in a game with it by rushing this :P). I tend to stick with Transcendence and Gathering Storm as lets face it, you won't be doing much until mid/late game anyway at which point these become great.

Theorex1 votes

I mean, I run unsealed spellbook Malzahar.

As the following clip will explain why.

https://clips.twitch.tv/NeighborlyArbitraryDumplingsBIRB

DW Diana1 votes

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I mean, I run unsealed spellbook Malzahar.

As the following clip will explain why.

https://clips.twitch.tv/NeighborlyArbitraryDumplingsBIRB

Hehe, yes I have enjoyed being able to get smite to steal/secure baron, clarity for laning phase, ghost for a chasedown and ignite for that definite last hit :P

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