+45 AD +10% CDR UNIQUE Passive (Incinerate): Dealing physical damage deals 10+(0.2 AD) true damage over 3 seconds.
Note: this is weaker than Lizard unless you have over 200 AD. good luck with that as a jungler.
This allows Warrior junglers to scale a bit while introducing a known passive that has not been shown to be problematic.
sWeixin VinLeous4 votesliterally all the items feel worse than the old ones, even the icons and names. it's not fun, it's just bland. especially runeglaive/cinderhulk
BluePolarizer3 votesCinderhulk is terribad compared to Golem IMO.
Earl Eulrich2 votesalso bring back the manareg pls, there are other ad-junglers than Lee in this game.. but i totally agree, elder lizard just had a much more satisfying feeling to it than the generic ball of stats that is warrior.
khorney2 votesThey talked about bringing it back
pripustas1 votes
all hit 200 AD in jungle.
But I agree, Warrior is super weak.
Bears Dont Care1 votes
Yi and Nocturne both build devourer. Jarvan goes cinderhulk as well.
The others do get over 200 AD, but that canbe fixed by going with bonus AD. Which leaves only rengar, pantheon, shaco and wukong.
pripustas1 voteshttp://champion.gg/champion/Nocturne ohh, what do you know. Warrior is actually most popular on Nocturne. http://champion.gg/champion/JarvanIV so is on Jarvan! If you have nothing of value to say, then don't say anything at all. It's not about how often it is built, it's about if it is or it is not.
Bears Dont Care1 voteshttp://champion.gg/champion/Nocturne ohh, what do you know. Warrior is actually most popular on Nocturne http://champion.gg/champion/JarvanIV so is on Jarvan!
Which is wholly irrelevant. your argument is "it isnpopular, therefore I am right". That is false and wrong. while jarvan prefers a warriors in soloqueue, competitively he builds cinderhulk because it benefits him more late game.
this is the same with nocturne due to the fact that games last longer than in the past.
If you have nothing of value to say, then don't say anything at all.
you should take the wisdom of your own words to heart. Rather than assuming you are an individual capable of dictating another's value.
It's not about how often it is built, it's about if it is or it is not.
This contradicts the above when you bring up popularity. we are discussing whatis seen as most effective. I cafe not for popularity
Bears Dont Care1 voteshttp://champion.gg/champion/Nocturne ohh, what do you know. Warrior is actually most popular on Nocturne http://champion.gg/champion/JarvanIV so is on Jarvan!
Which is wholly irrelevant. your argument is "it isnpopular, therefore I am right". That is false and wrong. while jarvan prefers a warriors in soloqueue, competitively he builds cinderhulk because it benefits him more late game.
this is the same with nocturne due to the fact that games last longer than in the past.
If you have nothing of value to say, then don't say anything at all.
you should take the wisdom of your own words to heart. Rather than assuming you are an individual capable of dictating another's value.
It's not about how often it is built, it's about if it is or it is not.
This contradicts the above when you bring up popularity. we are discussing whatis seen as most effective. I cafe not for popularity
pripustas1 votesDude, it's like you can't even comprehend? I said that they build warrior, then people started screaming left and right "THIS ONE BUILDS CINDERHULK. THAT ONE BUILDS DEVOURER" so I proved you wrong. And then said it's not about how often, but if they do at all?
And for the 2nd time- I repeat: Is this competitive? I haven't received my check.
Bears Dont Care1 votesDude, it's like you can't even comprehend?
I cannot comprehend what you write when it makes no sense in the first place.
I said that they build warrior, then people started screaming left and right "THIS ONE BUILDS CINDERHULK. THAT ONE BUILDS DEVOURER" so I proved you wrong. And then said it's not about how often, but if they do at all?
People were making the statement about what is optimal or best on those champions. It is entirely irrelevant if a Jarvan chooses to build a Runeglaive or any other item. You cannot make the statement of popularity and then contradict yourself afterwards by stating "oh well, i was just talking about them doing it period."
And for the 2nd time- I repeat: Is this competitive? I haven't received my check.
Whenever we discuss champions and their builds, we assume a competitive format. We do not assume jo shmoe and his band playing whatever they like. This is why G&B gets ignored, you have no idea the context being discussed. You just want to be right.
OH and no, Warrior is not better on Nocturne. He is primarily an AA'er, he does far better with Devourer late game than Warrior. Otherwise, the same argument can be made for Yi who features a similar style.
BluePolarizer1 votesJ4 in competitive is built warrior + full tank, and if built full AD, is for bursting, so it doesn't even matter that he gets +20 more damage than usual on the burn when he 100-0's people. Same with Vi, Rengar, Kha'Zix, Lee, etc. Noc and Yi would rather go devourer.
The only possible cases where this version of Warrior is stronger than Lizard is on Rek'Sai, Wukong, Hecarim, Skarner or Darius as sustained AOE damage on champs with high base AD as sustained AD tanks, or who deal high DOT physical damage. The burn is essentially worthless for burst AD junglers.
pripustas1 votesEveryone is built full tank in competitive. Are you in competitive play? I'm not. People are building warrior on Noc and Yi. Are they not? Even if it's in 1 out of 100 matches, they still do.
BluePolarizer1 votesI'm just saying that they can build it if they want but it's inferior to Devourer just like Lizard was inferior to Feral Flare on them, and that for burst ADs it doesn't even add that much damage compared to 10 ARPEN while for sustained ADs that don't rely on autos, it's really good.
pripustas1 votesWarrior is better on Nocturne. Gives him a better early game. Devourer is better on Yi.
Zedex1 votes
C9 Scott Free 1 votesEverybody thought Warrior was so OP at the beginning it is beautiful.
This is what happened when it got nerfed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnowbp88lwI
NOw look where we are.
BluePolarizer1 voteswho said warrior was OP?
C9 Scott Free 1 votesLiterally the whole community thought warrior was broken. Well, I take that back, the most vocal of the community said it was OP because of the junglers being warrior mostly. So they shaved off 5 AD and every one balked at the idea of only taking off 5 AD. Then everybody decided that Runeglaive was broken and Cinderhulk was broken etc.
BluePolarizer1 votesI have never heard that warrior was OP. I have heard that some warrior junglers were OP, but not warrior itself.
C9 Scott Free 1 votesThis was back in the day. I was probably on the boards way too much at that point in my life but yeah thats why that video was made. Cuz people were salty.