Taliyah needs to be fixed.

it be lìke that·Oct 12, 2016·8 votes·725 views

In her short existence she has seen more scalpels than the kardashian family, she has been dissected over and over and now gutted.

Personally, she seemed perfect at launch, didn't seem overbearing, clear was strong with q, could contest lane. She was nerfed it hurt her a lot, then she was buffed, nerfed, buffed again but incorrectly, nerfed, buffed, and is now gutted with an average of 45-48% winrate with a 1.74% popularity, she is one of the lowest played champions in the game which is fairly unusual for such a newer champion.

I wanted to start playing her as my staple midlaner, i love her mobility and burst damage and she seemed like a rewarding character to be well versed on.

*edit side note. if her full combo dealing too much damage is a problem how come ori q combo can do 50% of my hp at all stages?

land 5 skillshots ori 75% hp

ori lands 1 out of 5 q combos limping away to my tower

17 Comments

AstôlfoOct 12, 20163 votes

Riot releases Taliyah as a zone control/disruptor mage All good so far.

Adds bonus damage on Q which lets her splitpush and roam extremely well to add a splitpush/roam-ganking/massive map area pressure mage like TF used to be/is

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Removes the lockout on W which adds a burst mage playstyle with her E-W which took skill, practice, and knowledge to land into a braindead easy W-E Changes the casting method to a far simpler and easier one so anyone can do it

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Riot: "oh no she's doing good in lcs"

Gee I wonder why.

Riot: proceeds to gut her

Thanks Riot, love you too.

it be lìke thatOct 12, 20161 votes

yeah im finding her incredibly fun and dishing out tons of damage, im rushing rylai's and running some cdr with mana items, e to slow q, or if they are fast i q to slow w to knockback then e and repeast until they die or give up.

anyone with a dash though seems to insta delete me.

had a troll adc and a troll on hit lulu top (rushed wits end...) i went 5-5 but still had the most damage by a mile.

SpecterVonBarenOct 12, 20162 votes

Her design is rather bad actually. Her kit has no focus, ult and passive say roamer while e and w say zone control and her q is just weird. Her worked ground should have been her passive and have it effect her whole kit (With adjustments to it of course). Her kit needed to not be so split between two types of playstyles.

it be lìke thatOct 12, 20161 votes

i enjoy her kit i love hard to land/rewarding tech. you can punish massively if you catch someone in your w launching them into your e.

while you can roam, her passive is junk imo only works well in the jungle which she doesnt seem to be that good in anymore (wasnt great before either but still) the way see it is you can reach a new area quickly and try to control it. like if bot is getting ganked but it isnt safe for me to wall in behind the enemy i wall up to the tower from mid and force a disengage with e so my adc can back. they absolutely need to give her back some of her minion damage on q.

you actually cant back early, you cannot shove the wave fast enough. i cs primarily with aa and worked ground q. personally i hate worked ground and it hurts me more than it helps. ive given up first blood under my turret for being a scrooge and not backing a few times.

inplaneOct 12, 20161 votes

Her only redeeming factors are her spammable Qs and her global wall. Nerf these two things and she would be non existent. I know Riot Zenon has acknowledged that her E and W are absolute garbage and they're awful compared to release, but it's messed up when 2 skills make up a champ. No matter how good a Taliyah player is, E and W are worthless past levels 3-7 and mid-game. They're just severely under-tuned and too risky to use for such little reward.

it be lìke thatOct 12, 20161 votes

the q is flat out bad now except for early poke and late game kill potential, her clear with it has been completely gutted, you need to finesse the minions close enough so they take damage from all rocks just to hope to clear them in 1 q. (only casters. you cannot kill melee in 1 q) she has no reliable farm now.

it seems to me like point and click mages are highly rewarded right now yet skillshot ones are thrown in the dumpster.

ive only played 3 normals as here but every last one has gone the same.

early game, my poke is superior but farming with q drains my mana too quickly. so i surely fall behind in cs because im primarily using autos. but i win all trades.

mid game, i get roflstomped, thrown into the dumpster, slapped around by ike turner and set on fire.

late game i deal tons of damage from a safe-ish distance and disengage with E + rylais and W if things are crazy and i claw my way back up in kda.

WoonStruckOct 13, 20161 votes

E and W may be under-tuned, but her Q is grossly over-tuned.

They could take a bit of damage out of Q, even out the tempo of it, and push some power into W/E later in the game.

it be lìke thatOct 13, 20161 votes

it isnt overturned though? its great early, awful mid, great late. and its her only reliable/consistent damage.

WoonStruckOct 14, 20161 votes

It definitely is overtuned though.

It has far more scaling than the large majority of damage-focused ultimates in the game, and it has potentially a 1.8 second CD. You make me laugh. If you're on worked ground, you still have an ability that does very respectable damage considering how good her kiting/strafing is on worked ground. Add in that worked ground helps you dip out of it to cast a full one, and you get that free MS boost any time you cast it to make hitting it even easier...yeah, its blatantly overloaded.

it be lìke thatOct 14, 20161 votes

you act as if its a point and click, which it isn't. its a 2 second channeled ability that you are incredibly vulnerable in, since you cannot change the direction of it.

the mana cost is very high as well, so it isn't as if you can spam it endlessly even on that short cd, its also the only button in her kit that does any sort of damage.

is annie overloaded because of the 10 things tibbers brings to the table on top of her point and click q and baked in stun?

LSmaster16Oct 13, 20161 votes

Yeah, hoping they can do something like what they did with kog and revert to 6.11 since it feels like she only started being a problem with the 6.14 changes.

AgeOfTheMageOct 13, 20161 votes

i actually do really well with taliyah in toplane, good poke, a nice disengage/engage, she has pretty good damage too. not sure what the problem is

WoonStruckOct 13, 20161 votes

Sorry to call out rank, but you're also 5/26 in ranked in bronze. A 16% winrate shows a gross misunderstanding of the game unless you have technical issues so commonly that you shouldn't really be playing ranked.

Taliyah is an issue. Everything is loaded into her Q. her W/E are completely underwhelming after laning.

She's an extreme bully against some champs during laning, and completely useless against others.

She needs her power-curve balanced out on all of her skills.

AgeOfTheMageOct 13, 20161 votes

eh, i rarely play ranked, i don't remember if i even have played taliyah ranked before.and i don;'t mind you calling out rank. pretty much all of the games i play as taliyah i can easily win lane with due to the q poke, and the e w anti-gank power, and, if i see myself overextendinng and about to get ganked, my ult is really nice for escaping and engaging. As for after laning, depends on team comp and such, but y'know, lots of teamfights oddly happen at the enemy raptors, allowing me to use those choke points as a great place to do damage.

it be lìke thatOct 13, 20161 votes

that and they need to give her back some farm power in her q.

i had item 3152 item 3108 item 3116 at** 20 MINUTES** 1 full q couldnt kill the cannon.

WoonStruckOct 13, 20161 votes

Most champions don't have a skill that can 100-0 a cannon minion, especially before **~40 minutes. **

Why do you think Taliyah gets to be a special snowflake?

Maybe with her Q on worked ground, but she doesn't need extra farming power on her default Q. You're silly if you think so.

it be lìke thatOct 13, 20161 votes

its 2 second channeled ability and literally her only viable move for farming and thats pretty fed for 20 mins. her e is trash her w is even more trash.

aa farming as a mage isnt the best way to go either :) she isnt like syndra/annie/viktor/ryze where you can use any ability in your kit to farm well. i mean it would be so unfair for her to have 1 move that farms well. Viktor certainly doesnt 1 shot waves at all