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Play just to have fun means: I'v accepted my loss from the start.

Occams Raiser··10 votes·2,954 views

These silly fights over who is trying to win or not. Only with millennials and the rise of not having to pay in the arcade did this conversation start. No one ever said I am playing to have fun and I don't care whether I win or lose in the arcade days (Unless they always lost). Almost no one was toxic in the arcade and they weren't going to say shit anyway. You were standing next to him. He would vent towards the game for not picking up his movements. Every now and then you would get a guy that said "you only going to use that one move?" We would all laugh at him and he knew from then on that was a stupid question.

We were all "tryhards" but we had honor. You didn't throw in the arcade. Literally or figuratively. Now we have philosophical debates about whether someone is trying too hard or are they playing for fun or to win. Like these propositions are mutually exclusive. Oh I wish I could take some you trolls back in time with me. It would be glorious. The glorious beating we would give you if you touched our side of the game thinking it was funny.

We all think video games are fun that is why we play them. Next question, are you trying to win? Anyone who says no has merely decided to lose from the beginning. That has always been loser mentality. If you are winning and having fun you don't pull up on the reins and say "Uh oh, all this victory is getting in the way of my fun." Get out of here with all this shit. Have fun and try to win, Ya bunch a hipsters, afraid to care too much. **"What will my friends think if they find out I give a shit?" **

There are only 2 states on the table. Trying to win or accepting a loss. Is there anyone trying not to have fun?

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Pæan5 votes

I play to have fun and improve. Winning just happens to be more fun 90% of the time.

Occams Raiser1 votes

How do you measure your improvement?

Pæan4 votes

CS over a time, kill participation, objective control. Personal mechanical skill increase, say I'm playing Riven and m working on "the fast combo" while under pressure, being able to carry it out well multiple times in one game would be an improvement over previous games. Various things like that

Occams Raiser1 votes

You take a Bruce Lee approach. Focus on execution of responsibility and the end goal will follow. People act like they can work on improvements and still be losing. If you are working on cs'ing, part of that is not dying while doing it. You are already on your way to victory. They know damn good and well no one is talking about that. AND NEITHER ARE THEY. They are talking about running into the jungle with no vision to chase a kill then saying "oh well" when they die. They aren't working on shit but my last nerve. They aren't trolling but they aren't helping. And they aren't learning. "I'm just having fun."

Pæan1 votes

Ahhhh. Mmk, I see the main point of your post now lol. Similar to the "it's just normals, who cares" type of thing, right?

Occams Raiser1 votes

I guess so. There is never an ok time to deliberately lose when you are playing a game of winning and losing with strangers. That's it.

Bemapon4 votes

To me personally "Play just to have fun" Means, I will play to win, but I am not going to cry if I lose. As long as I enjoy the game I would prefer a win, but losing is perfectly acceptable.

ChargeItDownMid3 votes

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Occams Raiser2 votes

Do you know what a strawman is?

ChargeItDownMid4 votes

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Occams Raiser1 votes

So from what I said, you think that someone trying to increase their skill level would fall into the trying to lose category. Anyway you are supposed to be trying to execute what you practice in ranked play. Normals and drafts are for enhancement. So what are you arguing against cause it ain't me?

The results of each individual game becomes insignificant compared to the results of a hundred games.

You are comparing grand scheme to a stepping stone. Did you think I said something about this. I didn't. Deliberate failure is a wrong choice in most people's minds. I'm sure your parent's would agree just because they weren't born of this era. Practice match vs real match is what you seem to be stating. If you think I am saying there is no such thing as practice, that is a strawman. We did practice moves and combos in the arcade too. If you think any of us were trying to throw a game, that is another story. There needs to be a game mode where you can asks the other team to let you try things out.

Don't shit on honor by the way. it is the only thing that separates us from the animal. Our intellect sometimes just makes us more animalistic and amoral.

Sinister Snail1 votes

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So from what I said, you think that someone trying to increase their skill level would fall into the trying to lose category. Anyway you are supposed to be trying to execute what you practice in ranked play. Normals and drafts are for enhancement. So what are you arguing against cause it ain't me?

You are comparing grand scheme to a stepping stone. Did you think I said something about this. I didn't. Deliberate failure is a wrong choice in most people's minds. I'm sure your parent's would agree just because they weren't born of this era. Practice match vs real match is what you seem to be stating. If you think I am saying there is no such thing as practice, that is a strawman. We did practice moves and combos in the arcade too. If you think any of us were trying to throw a game, that is another story. There needs to be a game mode where you can asks the other team to let you try things out.

Don't shit on honor by the way. it is the only thing that separates us from the animal. Our intellect sometimes just makes us more animalistic and amoral.

Dude, he's not trying to put words on your mouth or build a strawman argument, he's just bringing up a related subject. Not everything people say is an attack on your opinion.

powerbats2 votes

Ah the good old days of Asteroids, Pac Man (million point turn over memories), Space Invaders and not enough quarters.

disregardable2 votes

We all think video games are fun that is why we play them

Nope. Fun isn't the word I'd use to describe League or any video game I play. They're either difficult or engrossing. I play either to feel accomplished or to go brain dead for a few hours.

Occams Raiser1 votes

It must be agony for you.

disregardable3 votes

I know, it's really ironic. "Plays for a sense of accomplishment" -> "is Bronze 5".

I don't mind it, honestly. Even though I am in the bottom 5% of the population, I still get to feel better than the people I play with. That's all I can really feel. You wouldn't believe how awesome I felt the first time I used Fiora's dash on a minion to catch up to someone. It felt like the LCS.

Yulen Xoshxius1 votes

What DO you use the word "fun" for?

disregardable1 votes

Real life things. Dancing, cooking, eating, driving, joking around, imagining. Things that can engage my body and my mind. Things that I can feel.

Yulen Xoshxius1 votes

In what sense do you feel joking around or imagining? Is it just the feeling of personal satisfaction?

disregardable1 votes

You know that feeling when you eat a cookie? Like, "Wow, I was feeling really shitty, but the sugar fixed it"? That's sort of what it's like.

T RexHasLongLegs1 votes

Kinda funny, but simple sugar is the easiest (cheapest) substance to use for addiction studies with rats and stuff. That cookie gives you that good dope feeling :D

On a more serious note though I'm curious why games don't create the same feedback for you? There is a ton of research around gaming constructs designed to activate the brain to produce adrenaline and other neurochemicals that create euphoria, why do you feel those elsewhere but not when playing games?

IcyPepper2 votes

For ranked games? Yeah, need a little more competitive mindset there so I'll give you that.

But for normals, it's still a game, so some of us do try to have fun, especially with our friends in premades. Hell, sometimes during major goofing off the enemy team might join you. Who knows?

If you remember how ARAM came to be, it's not exactly unheard of to have fun with a video game.

Occams Raiser1 votes

I never play ARAM. If everyone in game is fine with the way the game is going I have no prob with it.

IcyPepper1 votes

Uh... not the point I was making. Do you know why ARAM was made in the first place?

Occams Raiser1 votes

To fuck around I assume. I don't know why it was mad in the first place but that's what it is now.

If everyone in game is fine with the way the game is going I have no prob

Was in relation to:

But for normals, it's still a game, so some of us do try to have fun, especially with our friends in premades. Hell, sometimes during major goofing off the enemy team might join you. Who knows?

IcyPepper1 votes

Ah okay, fair enough.

Yulen Xoshxius2 votes

This is my view as well. I feel if ranked gets a stronger competitive vibe people who want to focus can enjoy themselves and the challenge there, and people that want to have fun in their own way can go to normals.

Angry Monster1 votes

I say your part of the problem. Just cause its normals does not mean its ok to effect other people.

IcyPepper1 votes

Is there a problem with wanting to have fun?

I'm not talking about feeding or stupid stuff like that. Just playing the game normally, and having fun. Or doing premades (I mean five people, for the record) to do really stupid stuff.

People who ruin other people's fun is just as bad as people who prevent others from having fun. I am neither one of those groups, and not a part of any of those problems. In fact, I at least have the dignity to ask permission before I do anything relatively off-meta.

Angry Monster1 votes

I just played with a rengar that wanted to have his fun. He got his prefered role(jungle) and only played for him self all game. All he was doing was running around powering up as hard as he could. When he max build he still refused to group and jumped the enemy 5v1. He got kills doing it but died every time.

SO yeah there is a problem with having your fun. This is a game/contest there are certain objectives and rules of the game. Not trying to win and doing what ever you want is not playing the game.

I do not want to hear that is not me. I do not care if its not fair. The objective of any game is to win. Since some people are assholes the rest of you do not get to say for FUN. There is no way to tell the difference so you suffer.

IcyPepper1 votes

Dude, there's a difference between having fun and being as asshole. Obviously that Rengar is the latter.

Just because you're playing for fun doesn't mean you're not trying to win. It's just like any other video game, of course you're trying to win. I'm just saying people need to lighten up just a little bit and remember it's still a game while they're trying to win, at no expense to other peoples' fun. This is common sense, it's balancing the two.

Look, here's an example of me having fun on my birthday:

http://puu.sh/htxGU/854b3a885f.jpg

I obviously tried to win. There's nothing wrong with trying to have fun as well as trying to win. Just do both, don't ruin one or the other for other people. I get this, it's simple, I'm not arguing against that because that's basic human decency.

Angry Monster1 votes

So was your fun impacting others? Maybe, maybe not sure was not in the game. Though taking a jungler when you know it going to have a horrible impact cause its bad is not kool. Now taking a champ cause your working on it is a different story and may still have a horrible impact. Intent is what is key here.

That is the problem also with intent. Cause there is no way for everyone to know what your motives are everyone has to play to win. People that go into game just for a good time are wasting my time. We do not get to select who we play with, so certain assumptions need to be able to be made.

1 you are trying to win 2 your picking something you believe in.

Someone takes teemo jungle in another thread cause he finds it fun. I took the stance that i find it trolly personally but i would do my part and help leash no matter what cause that is what is expected. I am doing what is expected cause of the above assumptions that i should safely be able to make.

Plenty of people say if they are not having fun (doing what they want in game) then the win does not matter. These people ruin everything you say. Its just a game they do not have to try.

The Queen Viper2 votes

I only play for my godlike KDA.

If my teammates are not idiots, we might win ... however if they are, we will not.

When you get idiots in your team, playing for fun flies out of the window and the game gets filled with disgust and shame. It's not fun when you are forced to watch idiots feeding the enemy team.

Occams Raiser1 votes

I only play for my godlike KDA.

Really?

The Queen Viper1 votes

True story.

Occams Raiser1 votes

You might be part of another problem.

The Queen Viper1 votes

That would be my brain dead teammates unfortunately... being part of problems.

Occams Raiser1 votes

I only play for my godlike KDA.

This is not usually considered a productive mindset.

The Queen Viper1 votes

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This is not usually considered a productive mindset.

Well that's certainly fascinating... since the moment you start focusing on your own gameplay, you start to improve. Also if you put some focus on your KDA, it also means you do waaay less stupid shit than the majority of the players and also less throws. You actually start thinking and reading the game.

Occams Raiser1 votes

So by KDA you mean not dying and focusing on objectives?

Angry Monster1 votes

Normally i do not agree with your posts, i happen to agree with this one though.

+1

Occams Raiser1 votes

Do you follow me or is it just coincidence that you see my post? And thanks.

Angry Monster1 votes

i do recent on sorting.

Occams Raiser1 votes

Oh.

Tyliala1 votes

I have fun by mainly focus on how I am doing in the game, whether I am contributing the most to the team and how I can do sth differently to improve. If people all just focus on themselves other than whoever is making mistakes, there won't be so much toxicity in this game. Sometimes people are just TOO DESPERATE to win and start to blame on other people which only makes them total pathetic fkn a-holes.

How does your skill even matter if you are being toxic to your teammates? A Challenger tier a-hole is still an a-hole. Doesn't make it any better. Just sayin'.

T RexHasLongLegs1 votes

It is still okay to do in bots games right? Or if I make us lose to the bots is that not okay? (Also I always feel weird when these topics come up bc I play the same champ for the most part and occasionally when I fill for the team I definitely just play something fun because as long as I'm not so bad that I don't think I could carry me if I was on my main role, I figure it is the teams fault if they can't carry the game when they agreed in champ select to carry me instead of making me carry them.)

Occams Raiser1 votes

I don't understand your comment I'm afraid.

T RexHasLongLegs1 votes

Mostly I was saying this doesn't apply vs bots bc you can beat bots even if I am playing ap Ashe and keep dying bc I forgot that I went ap instead of ad.

Then after that I was thinking that I feel a little bad for slacking in the game or two after winning a promo series bc I always do slack a bit then for some reason.

LegendaryLemur1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Occams Raiser,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=o34MKR6t,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-04-28T00:28:27.761+0000) There are only 2 states on the table. Trying to win or accepting a loss. Is there anyone trying not to have fun?

I can't agree with this. There are various degrees of effort possible. You can try to win in a relaxed manner or you can try to win in an ambitious way (heck you could go so far as to take performance-enhancing drugs or using illegal scripts or hacks).

Ideally everyone in the game would be just as relaxed or ambitious ("tryhard") as everyone else, but that won't always be the case. I think the solution is to try to compromise. If you are on a team that is really dialed-in, try to focus a little more instead of texting and snacking while you play. If you are on a team that is joking around try to loosen up a bit and don't harp on every missed Q.

Occams Raiser1 votes

Not wanting to win as bad as the other team combined with not being as skilled. Deadly combo.

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