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Stormrazor is a complete joke of an item in League.

After3perma··27 votes·14,081 views

It has the same problem that Banner of Command had. You don't know how to balance this item properly and on the PBE you are nerfing this item again. If you don't know how to balance this item, why not just remove it like Banner, you didn't know how to balance Banner properly so you guys took the easy way out.

You made Stormrazor such a problem that all ADC champions need to rush this item, and ADC champions that cannot build this item efficiently are considered garbage. You made this item for ADCs, then you overbuffed this item then that makes other champions such as Wukong and Gangplank start abusing this item when the item isn't meant to be brought on them.

Have you noticed that ADCs are the biggest problem with this current game. Stormrazor gets buffed because you nerfed ADC champions and them you buff ADCs and do other stuff like crit items gold decrease. ADC champions abused Lethality so you nerfed Lethality items. ADCs couldn't kill tanks, so you nerfed tanks while increasing their damage so now full tanks basically die in the same time frame as a bruiser/off tank champion. You also removed mages bot lane, now ADCs do what they want in lane while scaling up to late especially disgusting champions such as Draven and Jhin.

33 Comments

FrozenFrostFyre13 votes

"adcs are the problem in this game" probably the funniest thing I've ever read this is an assassin meta if you go 6-0 on akali or zed you've won the game already, but a 6-0 marksman can be jumped on and killed by that 1-5 assassin player.

Storm razor was a fix after nerfing ie. If you want to remove stormrazor you better be willing to bringing old IE back otherwise you're just biased af. Adcs we're getting completely replaced by mages in the botlane just a few patches ago. that's how incredibly weak they were.

LordGeovanni2 votes

Assassins only exist to delay adcs tho

4eva2 votes

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d4rkshock1 votes

That is if they have 5 seconds to kill them but the only have a tenth of that time.

RagnarsRock1 votes

Stormrazor is a great idea i completely agree that dps is pointless on adcs, we all need stormrazor for the burst right click meta amiright?

DuskDaUmbreon5 votes

The issue with Banner was not that Riot couldn't balance it, but that Riot couldn't keep it from being an item that felt like shit to be against.

Thefrostyviking2 votes

So,......why are Zoe and Yas still around? O_O

Aseraan1 votes

And why was that???? OH RIGHT CUZ SOME FKING APE HAD THE BRIGHT IDEA TO MAKE THE IMPROVED CREEPS IMmUNE TO AP:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

RaiNinja4 votes

They didnt nerf lethality cuz adc's were abusing it. Last time lethality items had their dmg tuned was patch 7.24 (last year) or 8.6 for duskblade's passive dmg reduced. Adcs arent a problem, tanks that can do more dmg and assassins (yes me included) are considerable problems. I dont even know how you can say adcs who dont build it are trash. Have you ever seen Varus Kaisa Vayne KogMaw Twitch Lucian MissFortune. They really dont need the item to be good.

ValiantKiller2 votes

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They didnt nerf lethality cuz adc's were abusing it. Last time lethality items had their dmg tuned was patch 7.24 (last year) or 8.6 for duskblade's passive dmg reduced. Adcs arent a problem, tanks that can do more dmg and assassins (yes me included) are considerable problems. I dont even know how you can say adcs who dont build it are trash. Have you ever seen Varus Kaisa Vayne KogMaw Twitch Lucian MissFortune. They really dont need the item to be good.

Sorry mate got to disagree. Balance team is the problem. Jhin Draven MissFortune shouldn't be allowed with that high damage for so long like this.

Tankers shouldn't have any sort of scaling ap on their skills by all damn means, they should had raw ap damage and defensive items now you see a disgust mix between ap ratio and defensive status that lead Malphite Rammus etc to one shot adc or if they not able to take care of adc like that adc will melt them.

Garen such simple champion kit doesn't need buffs in first place but got to sell that sweet vs event skins.

And you can list more of such stuff.

Hayaishi5 votes

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They didnt nerf lethality cuz adc's were abusing it. Last time lethality items had their dmg tuned was patch 7.24 (last year) or 8.6 for duskblade's passive dmg reduced. Adcs arent a problem, tanks that can do more dmg and assassins (yes me included) are considerable problems. I dont even know how you can say adcs who dont build it are trash. Have you ever seen Varus Kaisa Vayne KogMaw Twitch Lucian MissFortune. They really dont need the item to be good.

Varus KogMaw Lucian Vayne are garbage tho

RaiNinja1 votes

Where? KogMaw I will agree. But lucian, varus and vayne all are really good adcs right now. Maybe its just the players you have seen.

Hayaishi2 votes

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Where? KogMaw I will agree. But lucian, varus and vayne all are really good adcs right now. Maybe its just the players you have seen.

They all sit below 49% win rate except for Lucian.

d4rkshock1 votes

And I isee varus a lot. In fact I don't think there are any bad adc's. Some are just stronger ATM.

Heos002 votes

Varus, Vayne and Kog'Maw are sitting below 48% (wow!) Twitch its good now becuase they buffed him in 8.10 (if i recall) Mf is good because lethality items are remained untouched since the last nerfs and with the recent adc nerfs (still bad/average p1+ elos) Lucian same as MF, adc nerfs... And Kai'Sa was at 48-49% now people builds her with stormrazor and its know at 50% LOL.

But yeah, agree with the ''adcs arent a problem'' because enchanter supports and tanks were (they offered a ton of peel for them) and also agree with the stormrazor its a joke.

d4rkshock1 votes

You forgot Ezreal . THAT'S DISCRIMINATION!!!

QmegaSquadVeigar2 votes

The issue is that some champions abuse it more than others cause of the nature of this item. This item is counter-intuitive for most adc's (DPS oriented), while amazing on burst oriented champions (Draven, Jhin (slow autoattacks with massive AD and movement speed is just a cherry on the top) + this item is meant to be strong early/mid game and fall off late game.

Beatrice falls2 votes

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The issue is that some champions abuse it more than others cause of the nature of this item. This item is counter-intuitive for most adc's (DPS oriented), while amazing on burst oriented champions (Draven, Jhin (slow autoattacks with massive AD and movement speed is just a cherry on the top) + this item is meant to be strong early/mid game and fall off late game.

"“Marksman itemization is pretty focus on marksmen who want to stand still and basic attack. With Stormrazor, we’re introducing an item for marksmen with longer pauses between attacks, whether they’re kiting or just have long attack cooldowns (looking at you, Jhin)."

They knew Jhin was going to abuse it before its release :v) They've done it on purpose

After3perma2 votes

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They knew Jhin was going to abuse it before its release :v) They've done it on purpose

Jhin running around with 800ms with Stormrazor + plus 4th shot passive. Also taking Hail of Blades just for extra damage, while not being able to use the actual part of the keystone. He gets too much AD out of free stuff and other stupid things.

OtterlyLost2 votes

First and foremost, ADCs never whined about tanks being too tanky. Go back and actually look and the people who whined were bruiser and top mains. I never had a problem with tanks as long as I was being peeled for and could kite back without getting CCd. Which, if that did happen was a combination of my fault and my teams fault.

Second of all, assassins abuse stormrazor more than ADCs and there are a limited few marksmen who can affectively use it(jhin, draven, jinx). If ADCs were using it, then it would be serving it's intended purpose. All they have to do to make it more oriented for ADCs is have it build out of item 2015, reduce the damage of its crit, and allow it to charge up via AAs instead of through not AAing.

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

I miss banner... [zombie-nunu-bummed]

SEKAI1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nuxT1HgX,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-08-23T15:24:06.726+0000)

I miss banner... [zombie-nunu-bummed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB1QeQWV_Ro

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

And that's exactly why. I've experienced that shit, if i had known ahead i wouldn't have picked jinx but i had so much fun that game.

NA Darklarik1 votes

I think the key problem is the item 1038 component that makes it so attractive to other champions and assassins especially.

Honestly the passive itself wouldent be so problematic if it were on another build path or item. Like, if they replaced item 3094 extra ranged passive with Stormraider's, i think it would be problem solved, assassins and most bruisers dont build att speed exclusive items.

With its current AD, this item is just toxic and too good for creating bad cases.

d4rkshock1 votes

Gangplank is actually a crit champion. He almost always builds full crit after item 3078

MorgManBasher2 votes

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Gangplank is actually a crit champion. He almost always builds full crit after item 3078

item 3078 item 3053 item 3095 item 3026 item 3142 are usaully the only items I ever see on Gangplank anymore.

After3perma1 votes

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Gangplank is actually a crit champion. He almost always builds full crit after item 3078

But the problem with Stormrazor on Gangplank is that he almost always gets 100% crit chance on barrels because there he rarely auto attacks so the Stormrazor proc is always up.

d4rkshock1 votes

The way to fix that is make it go on CD if anything physical crits from it

toastMonkey1 votes

An item with a guaranteed crit on engage wasn't a horrible idea when all of the other crit items were made more expensive and less effective. Once the crit buildpath was smoothed out, it doesn't serve the same purpose and has certainly become problematic on non-ADC champs. The MonkeyKing nerfs reflect that and Gangplank has been become quite strong again because of this item. (I love both of those champs, BTW) IMO, it needs to become more niche to have a clear identity in the game or go away.

After3perma2 votes

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The MonkeyKing nerfs reflect that and Gangplank has been become quite strong again because of this item. (I love both of those champs, BTW)

Gangplank has always been a problem to balance in this entire game. He abuses Stormrazor, he abuses Grasp and his Q is not skillshot based so it is ridiculous.

SugeMinPikk1 votes

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ADC champions that cannot build this item efficiently are considered garbage.

But 2 of the top 5 bot laners don't build it? MissFortune Lucian

If you want to go by top 6, it's half of them who don't build it Ezreal http://na.op.gg/champion/statistics

RagnarsRock1 votes

can you just remove this item from the game. Getting right clicked by high base damage is pointless and stupid. While your doing that nerf electrocute.

RagnarsRock1 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJsR1L8CvNo

it doesn't get more broken than this

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