You can shut a 
or 
down but you can't shut Katarina down.
If Zed walks into a 25 minute teamfight with 
he isn't doing shit. If Katarina walks in with 
she can still deal retarded damage if she plays it right.
I mean nothing feels better then shitting on her in lane, being up 1-2 kills and 30 CS then watching her go bot and pick up a nice double kill.
colesy11 votesshe'll go bot and pick a double kill if they have like 200 hp
but so would any assassin ever
so how about you stop sitting around with barely any health and literally spoon feeding katarina kills.
Digielf2 voteswhy are euw players on na boards
Red Frostraven6 voteswhy are euw players on na boards
And the original poster was from OCE.
Why? Because there is no reason to artificially divide the english boards into regions.
Red Frostraven6 votesshe'll go bot and pick a double kill if they have like 200 hp
but so would any assassin ever
so how about you stop sitting around with barely any health and literally spoon feeding katarina kills.
She's got 120 AP and is level 6
Bot laners are level 5, or even level 4
Her ult alone deals 105 damage per tick -- up to 650 damage with the full R. Her Q deals 227 damage including the mark. Her W deals 70 damage. Her E deals 109 damage and gives her a free autoattack hit as well.
I have problems understanding how she would not kill the ADC and at the very least force the support into retreat, unless the next E+Q off cooldown + W kills the support: 700 range teleport and killing the ADC in 0.5 seconds, only allowing the ADC to get one single auto-attack because of the teleport.
Amount of skillshots hits required to hit for this to work: 0
colesy3 votesso yeah, exactly like i said, if bot sit around low on hp they'll feed kills. otherwise she won't do anything, thanks for proving my point that you shouldn't sit at low hp in lanes with a katarina in the game.
Red Frostraven1 votesso yeah, exactly like i said, if bot sit around low on hp they'll feed kills. otherwise she won't do anything, thanks for proving my point that you shouldn't sit at low hp in lanes with a katarina in the game.
I don't think ~900 health is "low health" for an ADC at level 4-5.
JustMyBassCannon1 votesI don't think any ADC is stupid enough to stand still for 3 seconds, or that any support wouldn't CC Katarina on sight.
Bern4 votes[{quoted}](name=Red Frostraven,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ns1gs1z7,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2015-05-21T12:27:27.193+0000)
She's got 120 AP and is level 6
Bot laners are level 5, or even level 4
Her ult alone deals 105 damage per tick -- up to 650 damage with the full R. Her Q deals 227 damage including the mark. Her E deals 109 damage and gives her a free autoattack hit as well.
I have problems understanding how she would not kill the ADC and at the very least force the support into retreat, unless the next E+Q off cooldown + W kills the support: 700 range teleport and killing the ADC in 0.5 seconds, only allowing the ADC to get one single auto-attack because of the teleport.
Amount of skillshots hits required to hit for this to work: 0
Amount of times Kat must be CC'd for this to work: 0
Amount of wards bot must have placed in Kat's path for this to work: 0
In short, it's completely preventable.
JJI7441 votesAmount of times Kat must be CC'd for this to work: 0
Amount of wards bot must have placed in Kat's path for this to work: 0
In short, it's completely preventable.
It also takes place in an imaginary world where people stand in Kat ult for 2.5s. And if we are going to live in that kind of a world, Fizz does almost exactly the same damage, and Zed does more.
bonfire107 votes[{quoted}](name=Red Frostraven,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ns1gs1z7,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2015-05-21T12:27:27.193+0000)
Amount of skillshots hits required to hit for this to work: 0
Amount of range you have when you don't have skill shots: less than if you had skillshots
Targeted abilities have the most 1 dimensional approaches because they can only be used in one way. If you getin range of them, you'll get hit, but if you don't you can't get hit. That's all there is to it. Stay out of range and she can't get kills, it's not hard if you have the slightest amount of ward coverage, the map awareness of someone past silver, or a mid kind enough to call mias.
700 range teleport and killing the ADC in 0.5 seconds, only allowing the ADC to get one single auto-attack because of the teleport.
Why are you trying to auto attack the katarina? That's like opposite of how you handle an assassin. The ADC's job isn't to deal damage, it's to not die, and then deal damage when safe as a secondary objective. If kat isn't chain ccd and dieing soon, you shouldn't be within flash + E distance of her, or any assassin for that matter.
This is true in teamfights, but its even more true in laning phase, which it looks like you're talking about. Too many people think this game is team death match and that you have to try to kill every enemy you see. Assassins counter ADCs. That is the job for their role. Stop trying to fight them, especiall early to mid game, that's their powerspike. If kat roams bot, you leave lane or hug tower if it's safe enough, although I would doubt that unless you had a jungler with you. Let your mid laner push and cs and take tower whle their mid lane assassin(katarina) is bot lane.
This puts her even further behind by denying her the kill she would have gotten if you stayed, and denying the cs she would have gotten if she stayed in lane. This also sets you back, but an ADC without kills still becomes a monster of consistent damage lategame. An assassin who doesn't get kills and control the mid game falls off really hard late game. Think of most assassins: kat, leblanc, zed, talon, akali. There's a general consensus that these champions fall off more than traditional mages or ADCs late game, but generally keep strong 1v1 potential.
Katarina has a bit of an exception because of the reset mechanic, but all your team has to do is play around that mechanic. Everyone talks about that time the kat got 1 kill and it turns into a free penta kill and it's bullshit. No one talks about all the other times where that kat didn't have an opening to get that first kill and contributed nothing more than a few Qs while the rest of the team 4v5d and got steamrolled.
People ignore kat's downsides because they aren't as flashy as her upsides. Play as kat against a competent team and you'll see how few openings they give you to be of any use. Don't blame your disorganization and inexperience on a subpar champion that is pretty much just a pubstomper.
EvilRabbitt3 votesI respect you so much for putting it into perspective. Not even a Kat main, and I'm sick of all the "kat op" threads. As it stands, the health nerf alone made it possible to spot a difference between good kats and bad ones. Example? Exactly yours. Watching a kat dive 1v5 because "Oh I'm katarina, one reset and I win~~" and then dieing instantly. As it is, I wish people would either not complain (very few problems left really, this push towards loads of mid laners is going to unbalance the game) or focus on buff complaints for things like Elise and Taric.
BobbyCarHaterX4 votes"muh skillcap"
Space Bum2 votesThe clear answer is "idiots"
I ban her in games where the other team does not but I ban lb over Kat.
I am not afraid of Kat. I don't normal play Champs that she does well against. I ban her because my teammates scare me. I have heard people say the same about 
Digielf1 votesWhy are OCE players allowed to post in NA boards?
Vistha Kai1 votesWere you born yesterday?
Abyssphere1 votesI just don't think that's true. If Kat is 0/1 or 0/2 then she's not actually feeding anyway - she's soundly behind but not utterly irrelevant. But if she heads bot and gets a double then of course she's going to come back, she suddenly actually got on the scoreboard. Katarina doesn't feed and somehow remain relevant despite not doing anything worthwhile in this scenario - she just gets behind and very fairly catches back up (roams aren't hard to stop).
As regards her being more useful than the enemy mid laner, I think that's really a question of who you're playing. I'd probably prefer a 2-0 burst/utility mage to a 2-2 Katarina who's comfortably behind in CS.
AkabaneKun1 votes
Curling Veigar1 votesit's just how her kit works. it doesn't punish bad play.
the whole idea of no resource champ with point and click harass alone is already pretty retarded. not bringing up the other stupid things about her, though. it should be obvious.
Narasimha1 votesDefine 'useful'.
A fed Orianna is terrifying. So is a fed Malzahar. Or a fed Xerath. Or actually, most fed midlaners.
Transgressor1 votesApparently you've never seen a useless Katarina.
TMIT1 votesKat's hard to follow for counter-ganks unless you're an assassin yourself (try "counter-ganking" her as Lux and watch her turn on you even if you're up 2 kills and CS). You can follow if you have vision though, and you definitely want to call MIA so bot doesn't sit pushed. Really bot should never sit pushed unless they're lit up with wards anyway, and even then Kat will do a lot better hitting bot against something like Sona/Ashe than she would against a Leona or Alistar + mobile ADC.
MetalGearTeemu1 votesKat may be mid lane, but she's actually laning against your Bot lane.
What you do mid against her is largely irrelevant. She'll snowball or not depending on your bot lane.
Der Lindwurm1 votesKat only runs away like this when enemies are trying to be heroes by pushing lanes or engaging at 30% or less health and are so focused on their own heroics that they ignore wards and pings (or nobody wards or pings at all).
Which is about 90% of games.
That's the real problem here.
