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Riven dosent need a rework.

letsfeedtogether··3 votes·1,331 views

The problem with riven isnt the champion it self. Its the itemization. item 3812 item 3161 are a part of the problem. when riven get's this items. she's way too tanky and her cdr is like urf. do not rework riven. change her itemization. riven is way to tanky and does too much damage. thats the problem. not the champion.

Here is a comment i saw here. (I wont say the name because i do not know if its name shaming)

I cannot agree more and i think a rioter should look at this.

"I do not understand ur reasoning for the rework at all. The champion itself that is not the issue. Even by just looking at the kit, as you mentioned, it is relatively balanced. However, there are two main issues regarding Riven. One issue is Riven's itemization. The majority of Riven mains build Deaths Dance and Spear of Shojin. These two items alone what makes Riven frustrating to play against with the amount of sustain you could get with DD (along with the runes, which I will explain later) along with her being tanky and sticky as well with Spear of Shojin. Adding on about the runes, there are too many smaller runes that give sustain such as Ravenous Hunter and Taste of Blood (Domination), Triumph and Legend: Bloodline (Precision), Time Warp Tonic and Biscuit Delivery (Inspiration). Idk if you or have or haven't nerfed Ravenous Hunter and Taste of Blood, but having those kinds sustain runes along with Death's Dance makes it way too OP. Maybe just get Grievous Wounds and that will solve everything right? Partially, but that doesn't solve the whole issue. Then we get to the main crux of the problem. She stacks Conqueror way too quickly. Just completing a fast q combo would get her 5 stacks with a snap of a finger. Sure there are others that could stack quickly like Jax or Renekton, but not as fast as Riven. Plus the fact you get true damage along with healing is just absolutely absurd. Even low to players are having success just based on these two main factors.

The actual main issue that needs to be resolved is the Conqueror rune and the items that I mentioned. If you go with this change, RiotRepertoir, I am sure that the player base will go down and a disservice to the Riven community because of this."

24 Comments

Ragnaveil4 votes

its her kit, simple as that. It accels at everything that her kit has. Mobility, Burst, Tankiness, you name it. Her and Jax need more weaknesses, simple as that. CC chaining Riven or waiting out Jax E is unacceptable in this current state of the game. If she gets reworked, too bad. She was put in a untouchable balance state because of her mains.

Infernape7 votes

The hilarious thing is that her kit is built upon a bug.

notsoimportant2 votes

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D357R0Y3R7 votes

animation cancelling IS a bug an animation is always supposed to be fully done, you're not supposed to cancel it in mid duration

it was a bug, but riot (xypherous especially) decided to keep it in the game and nerf riven around it to not make her kit braindead

everyone else had their animation cancelling removed: graves zed kha'zix illaoi

and i'm probably forgotting a lot of champions

notsoimportant2 votes

{quoted}

animation cancelling IS a bug an animation is always supposed to be fully done, you're not supposed to cancel it in mid duration

it was a bug, but riot (xypherous especially) decided to keep it in the game and nerf riven around it to not make her kit braindead

everyone else had their animation cancelling removed: graves zed kha'zix illaoi

and i'm probably forgotting a lot of champions

You know when you orb walk/ kite you're animation canceling right?

So every champion is Buged D:

D357R0Y3R2 votes

{quoted}

You know when you orb walk/ kite you're animation canceling right?

no...?

If you try to cancel the animation of autoattacking it will cancel the autoattack and your champion will get denied an AA, everytime someone orbwalks the autoattack animation is fully done.

SuicidePlank2 votes

{quoted}

no...?

If you try to cancel the animation of autoattacking it will cancel the autoattack and your champion will get denied an AA, everytime someone orbwalks the autoattack animation is fully done.

Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Where does an ADC let their whole animation play out, instead of canceling it? Bronze?

D357R0Y3R2 votes

I'm pretty sure that when you orbwalk the animation is fully done, else your autoattack just cancels and your champion won't perform an autoattack

SuicidePlank2 votes

{quoted}

I'm pretty sure that when you orbwalk the animation is fully done, else your autoattack just cancels and your champion won't perform an autoattack

You don't cancel the Animation when it starts, you cancel it after your projectile flies, as ranged, or when you hit your enemy as melee. Ever looked at Sion Autos an know why people cancle it?

SuicidePlank5 votes

{quoted}

animation cancelling IS a bug an animation is always supposed to be fully done, you're not supposed to cancel it in mid duration

it was a bug, but riot (xypherous especially) decided to keep it in the game and nerf riven around it to not make her kit braindead

everyone else had their animation cancelling removed: graves zed kha'zix illaoi

and i'm probably forgotting a lot of champions

And, oh wonder, leaving a mechanic in that not everyone (knows how to) abuse it, makes it hard to balance the problematic Champion. Riot is a great company.

D357R0Y3R1 votes

idk, I like animation cancelling (just my opinion not everyone does)

I just don't like how everyone is not allowed to have one except riven

I liked how Zed could cancel his Q animation by swapping place with his shadow, but instead of balancing Zed around that they just removed it and said "fixed a bug where zed blablabla"

SuicidePlank1 votes

{quoted}

idk, I like animation cancelling (just my opinion not everyone does)

I just don't like how everyone is not allowed to have one except riven

I liked how Zed could cancel his Q animation by swapping place with his shadow, but instead of balancing Zed around that they just removed it and said "fixed a bug where zed blablabla"

Well you see why, because stuff like Riven happens. If not everyone can do it/knows about it, not everyone has the same blueprint for the game, so it becomes incredibly hard to balance champions that only exist because of that Bug.

Sir Saltarin2 votes

Rip our bae Ashe Q aa cancel

At least Sivir W remains, and Caitlyn combos

Sir Saltarin1 votes

Ashe Q too, but others as Sivir remains and doesn't seem to be going anywhere

PopcornBunni1 votes

Shen Shen Shen, to the point that the only advanced ability he has is flashing at the end of his taunt animation to extend its range.

SuicidePlank3 votes

{quoted}

Animation Caneling isn't a bug.

Auto attack reseting isn't a bug

Look at your current rank

It was discovered in early season and Riot kept it in the game, because they like it. Animation Cancelings are bugs, ranks doesn't matter in this discussion.

Infernape4 votes

Riven's ability to cancel and overlap her animations wasn't an intended interaction AKA a bug. They decided to embrace it rather than fix it. The same way Lee Sin's ward jumping was a bug Riot decided to embrace rather than fix.

Lovelle3 votes

Riven gets out of hand at some point almost every season, so it can't just be itemization. It's not like she's dependent on those items either. I've even seen her running a crit build on occasion (Essence Reaver + IE) and doing well.

Vayne, Yasuo and Lee Sin are in the same boat. Riot needlessly buffs them and then they warp the game due to their massive versatility.

Dope Solo3 votes

Lose the free shield or the leap or the stun.

Mordepool3 votes

She needs one bad. For the Health of the entire game.

Ragnaveil1 votes

Her, Vayne, and Jax need ones. Jax's E is pretty unhealthy considering with enough cdr, he has that thing up constantly (and when it was balanced, was when he got 40% cdr LATE game. He practically gets it before midgame ends.). Vayne's Silver Bolts need to be readjusted. I'd honestly give them a new effect, rid of the true damage, and redesign her to be a much healthier late game carry. The W just makes that reality impossible atm.

Sir Saltarin1 votes

Nah, just some Q dmg nerfs is enough

Pygmalion1 votes

He's right she's only strong because of those items her win rate and play rate dropped massively when brutalizer got removed those items are massive for any champion that can abuse it

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