but right now. she has 54.26% in master and 54.44% in grandmaster + with 7% pick rate. nerf katarina. she is unfun to play against and is really strong. she should be nerfed.
for comparison . she has 51.44% in plat. with only 1.6% + pick rate
yes. her win rate in challenger is 50% but with only 597 matches. grandmaster and master have double this matches each
ShovelRight101215 votesHaving a champion with a steep learning curve like Kat is not a good excuse to overtune them. The incentive to playing a highly skilled champ is to just get better at the game.
RavenMagus5 votesmeanwhile Riven in toplane
JuiceBoxP14 votesLOL. Katarina is not OP in any way. Every single cc in the game cripples her.
Not to mention every single matchup beside 
and 
in mid lane is a losing matchup naturally because she is melee.
@op, you got 1.7k mastery on her... Play her more and see her weaknesses are very easy to exploit.
EDIT: i love it that people don't have any actual counter argument to the truth so they just downvote and don't even reply to my post
Jacadi31 votesNothing to say to someone who thinks that Katarina has a lot of losing matchup because she is melee...
JuiceBoxP1 votesNothing to say to someone who thinks that Katarina has a lot of losing matchup because she is melee...
I suppose you could name a few favorable matchups then?
Spiced Rum9 votesI suppose you could name a few favorable matchups then?
So zed, talon, fizz, Diana, Ekko and kassadin are all losing to ranged match up because they are melee? No. Each of these champions get dashes. Sure first few levels are hell for them. Once 6 comes..
Ziggs, xerath, lux, and many more immobile mages get ruined. Hence why most take barrier in these match ups.
Only real threat to Katarina is champs like 
preternatural3 votes[{quoted}](name=Spiced Rum,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hyRvBTPE,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-15T13:46:10.904+0000)
So zed, talon, fizz, Diana, Ekko and kassadin are all losing to ranged match up because they are melee? No. Each of these champions get dashes. Sure first few levels are hell for them. Once 6 comes..
Ziggs, xerath, lux, and many more immobile mages get ruined. Hence why most take barrier in these match ups.
Only real threat to Katarina is champs like
kata beats all your picks if she knows how items work.
JuiceBoxP4 votes[{quoted}](name=Spiced Rum,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hyRvBTPE,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-15T13:46:10.904+0000)
So zed, talon, fizz, Diana, Ekko and kassadin
Except every single one of them has incredibly effective ranged poke and ranged wave clear. Katarina has only Q, for ranged waveclear which hits exactly 3 minions and she has to use it either on minions or the enemy laner. Or if the laner is dumb enough to stand ontop of the dying minions then it would hit him too.
add that to your list of unfavorable matchups 
They fucking dumpster on her.
Count Calculus3 votesI mean, sure, her Q is her only technical form of ranged wave clear, but it's not her only form of wave clear in general since she does AOE damage around her after picking up any dropped daggers. I'd argue that from levels 1-3 or 1-4, she isn't really trying to wave clear and roam because she isn't strong enough to assassinate anyone yet, meaning she's really just trying to last hit and dodge poke under tower. In this case, it doesn't really matter that her only form of ranged wave clear is her Q because, well, eventually she won't mind going melee range with her blink to clear the wave before heading bot lane to try and pick up a double kill.
I don't play Katarina myself, so I can't really say how the matchups you listed go (though, judging by the kits, probably not well for Katarina), but it doesn't matter unless they shut her down super hard in the early game. She only needs to get enough gold to hit a power spike so she can start snowballing off of champions she can abuse.
JuiceBoxP1 votes[{quoted}](name=Count Calculus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hyRvBTPE,comment-id=000500000000000000020001,timestamp=2019-07-15T16:34:41.379+0000)
I mean, sure, her Q is her only technical form of ranged wave clear, but it's not her only form of wave clear in general since she does AOE damage around her after picking up any dropped daggers. I'd argue that from levels 1-3 or 1-4, she isn't really trying to wave clear and roam because she isn't strong enough to assassinate anyone yet, meaning she's really just trying to last hit and doge poke under tower. In this case, it doesn't really matter that her only form of ranged wave clear is her Q because, well, eventually she won't mind going melee range with her blink to clear the wave before heading bot lane to try and pick up a double kill.
I don't play Katarina myself, so I can't really say how the matchups you listed go (though, judging by the kits, probably not well for Katarina), but it doesn't matter unless they shut her down super hard in the early game. She only needs to get enough gold to hit a power spike so she can start snowballing off of champions she can abuse.
Look, i pretty much agree on the stuff you said... thing is with kat - if you feed her early, she'll snowball our of control... but because MOST of her matchups are bad it's hard to consistently get fed. It depends on how good the kat is, jungler ganks or not, and some other variables..
FOR JUSTICE3 votesLook, i pretty much agree on the stuff you said... thing is with kat - if you feed her early, she'll snowball our of control...
yes, and a champ being a snowballer is perfectly ok, but snowballing too hard or easily is a problem.
but because MOST of her matchups are bad it's hard to consistently get fed.
we have statistical proof that this claim is completely false.
It depends on how good the kat is, jungler ganks or not, and some other variables..
the same could be said about any other champion in the game though.
preternatural4 votes[{quoted}](name=Count Calculus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hyRvBTPE,comment-id=000500000000000000020001,timestamp=2019-07-15T16:34:41.379+0000)
I mean, sure, her Q is her only technical form of ranged wave clear, but it's not her only form of wave clear in general since she does AOE damage around her after picking up any dropped daggers. I'd argue that from levels 1-3 or 1-4, she isn't really trying to wave clear and roam because she isn't strong enough to assassinate anyone yet, meaning she's really just trying to last hit and doge poke under tower. In this case, it doesn't really matter that her only form of ranged wave clear is her Q because, well, eventually she won't mind going melee range with her blink to clear the wave before heading bot lane to try and pick up a double kill.
I don't play Katarina myself, so I can't really say how the matchups you listed go (though, judging by the kits, probably not well for Katarina), but it doesn't matter unless they shut her down super hard in the early game. She only needs to get enough gold to hit a power spike so she can start snowballing off of champions she can abuse.
i have 500k+ kata mastery. the listed matchups against her mean little if the kata player knows how to use the runes, items and her E. so yeah. also her W, that one is berry important. one small mechanical understanding of how these things interact and suddenly you're 2 divisions up.
Śhunpo1 votes No, it's only slightly Akali favoured.
No, it's borderline even (at least until Chall)
Yes, she dumpsters Kat.
Overrated. With Conqueror+Long Sword Kat can beat him (up until Chall)
This is a champion atm? No, Kat beats him right now.
Yeah. But this matchup is nowhere near unplayable, it's just volatile.
Fuck this champion (Yes, he beats Kat, and in a "I have no counterplay" sort of way if he's even half-decent. You quite literally have to forego laning phase against even a decent Yas).
Sort of? Kat can win fairly easily past level 2.
Just don't fight him. There, done, Kat beats him.
No.
No.
Sort of? Depends on whether or not his jungler is willing to suck him.
Yeah, champ's dumb.
No.
No.
Skill matchup, Kat favoured.
I'll also add some more:
: Smashes Kat so long as his brain isn't that of a fish.
: A bruiser sent mid, Kat hates bruisers...you get the picture.
: A spammable stun, stealth+movement speed, high damage and an ult that is almost guaranteed to hit if you even so much as think about jumping on her past 6. Oh, and did I mention her having high damage? Cause she does have high damage.
: Broken. Just broken. If he ever gets through ban phase he'll beat ANYONE in lane and out of lane. He needs some more nerfs ASAP.
: Not really a losing matchup, just an unfavourable one. Zoe does a ridiculous amount of damage, and her W more or less allows her to "cheat" the matchup.
: This champ's design besides ult is dumb. His healing is dumb and his damage is dumb. Overall....just dumb, that's my word for him. Definitely beats Kat, so your only option past Plat is just to not fight him in lane EVER (unless your jungler comes).
Genghis Khat3 votes
I'll also add some more:
Akali is crazy trash vs katarina, not favored for her.
true
can be outplayed, does not "dumpster"
conquerer is trash in general imo but yes it helps vs kass also hexdrinker makes kat impossible to kill for kass unless the kat is bad.
swain is literally hard trolling right now and kat is an impossible match up for swain.
lame matchup true but ignite gives kat an edge unless vlad is a genuine puss.
50/50 match up, skill based ive lost to yasuos and ive beaten them purely skill based. however he will most likely push you in.
overnerfed easy to beat.
even if he manages to land his combo (without the ult) kat outdamages him + just poke him with daggers :/
is trash into kat
barrier and its easy.
cant beat kat 1v1
bane of my existence
she used to pre aftershock changes not anymore tho
is he even picked mid and even then what is he gonna do to kat?
lane is entirely up to how good azir is unless he manages to mess up 1 thing cant wont beat him.
thankfully most of fizz mains are that with a fish brain but ye he can mess up kat :(
I personally see no issue with him i can dance around his Q like a fish :p
outplayable
... nerf plz riot said they are better at hotfixing clearly not :/
pretty easy to beat imo. even if you get hit by a bubble (which with W can be dodged quite easily imo) you still drop a W regardless and she will take some damage while you are stunned and after the stun you can continue to do your damage as she used her entire kit.
imo is beatable, poke with Q dodging chain is piss easy with E, whilst poking him dont go close enough to let him use W and in lane you should be good. :/
:^)
Crescent Dusk2 votes
:^)
You clearly haven't seen KatEvolved's match ups against Kennen. Kennen vastly outdamages Katarina and brings a metric ton of CC to boot. It's obvious you haven't seen a good one mid, otherwise you'd know he's a nightmare for most melee champs. The top Katarina challenger could barely duel him, and only in late game when he got fed as Katarina and still almost died.
Where Katarina beats Kennen is in lane prio and ability to roam, but Kenne is far more impactful on teamfights with ult as he is not relegated to clean up, but rather he sets up engages and cleans up at the same time to boot.
Aatrox doesn't need to land Q's to kill you after he buys mercs and death's dance. It's OK, bruisers are supposed to counter assassins; Zed and Akali are just busted and the exception to the rule.
Yasuo doesn't win by killing you, rather by keeping you pushed in and away from roaming to bot lane, which lets him scale to 3+ items at which point he becomes impossible to duel and split pushes far better than you while being still as useful in TF.
Genghis Khat4 votes[{quoted}](name=Crescent Dusk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hyRvBTPE,comment-id=00050000000000000002000300000000,timestamp=2019-07-15T21:56:35.018+0000)
You clearly haven't seen KatEvolved's match ups against Kennen. Kennen vastly outdamages Katarina and brings a metric ton of CC to boot. It's obvious you haven't seen a good one mid, otherwise you'd know he's a nightmare for most melee champs. The top Katarina challenger could barely duel him, and only in late game when he got fed as Katarina and still almost died.
Where Katarina beats Kennen is in lane prio and ability to roam, but Kenne is far more impactful on teamfights with ult as he is not relegated to clean up, but rather he sets up engages and cleans up at the same time to boot.
Aatrox doesn't need to land Q's to kill you after he buys mercs and death's dance. It's OK, bruisers are supposed to counter assassins; Zed and Akali are just busted and the exception to the rule.
Yasuo doesn't win by killing you, rather by keeping you pushed in and away from roaming to bot lane, which lets him scale to 3+ items at which point he becomes impossible to duel and split pushes far better than you while being still as useful in TF.
Great example some random dude with no katarina experiance loses to kennen noice. I have no issue with kennens in laning phase, aatrox wont kill me cause by the time he gets DD i got GB and rabadons
so dont let yasuo do that so easily? get a gank?
Crescent Dusk2 votes[deleted]
Genghis Khat5 votes[{quoted}](name=Crescent Dusk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hyRvBTPE,comment-id=0005000000000000000200030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-16T00:21:15.021+0000)
Another person who failed reading comprehension. I'm pretty fucking sure you don't even come close to the skill level of the rank 1 Katarina NA, so please stfu and stop trying to act like you know match ups more than the people playing a champ to their full potential.
hol up katevolved is playing kat at full potential? he literally lost to d4 euw players. and you think he is any good? big oof.
Theorex1 votesAlright lets talk about this a bit in depth.
Katarina has weaknesses due to her being a melee champion, yes. That is true. That is true for every single melee champion in the game. But using the Ranged vs Melee argument as a argument is invalid, because on that note. Ryze should beat Irelia. Syndra should be yasuo. These arguments are invalid when a champion is STRONG, or strong against other champions because of their Kit.
The only champions that truly counter Katarina are champions with MASSIVE AoE or Point Click CC.
LB vs Kata is a skill match up, a good Kata can avoid a LB Q RQ W. Or avoid Cass W. Avoid Swain Pull. These aren't counters, these are skill match ups.
Akali vs Kata, is actually Kata sided. Because Akali shroud doesn't do anything vs Kata Ulti. Every Single Match up you said was unfavorable is a skill match up. Minus Kass. Because he is a counter.
Now lets talk about Kata laning. Kata laning is comprised of three different attributes.
1: Waveclear and poke.
2: High Threat Range Extreme Mobility.
3: Roam.
Those three things make Kata extremely frustrating to play against, because even if you do out range her. She still has the means to get on top of you in an instant. You are effectively alway forced behind your caster minions, making wave clear for majority of mages very hard. Because you have to clear the casters after the melee, you are forced to stay in lane a bit longer. No single mage can freely walk up to the caster range and clear them without being harassed super hard by kata. Also going for the casters first put every mage into a position of free engage. If a syndra goes to use Q on the caster wave. At level 2+, that means that Kata is freely allowed to Q W, Pick up Dagger, W. Because now syndra only has one ability. Meaning that the trade will always be Kata favored. On top of the fact, that Kata never has to auto attack syndra. meaning that she doesn't ever pull minion aggro. If Syndra auto attacks Kata while within the range of casters, the casters will also deal damage to Syndra, which only exasperates the trade loss. That is only early laning.
A good kata will also be allowed to freely roam post 6. Because no mage is going to ever start by trying to clear the back wave, that is a 100% chance of losing 50% of your hp in one rotation to kata. Since majority of mages run Lost Chapter first item.
This is a big issue because free roaming at level 6 for the mid lane is a massive advantage to whatever team that mid laner is on. They get priority over whatever side the jungler and mid laner are at. If they decide to go bot side, even if your bot lane was winning a trade, it will result in a 2 for 2 at best. This is under the assumption that both sides are equally skilled. This plays into a massive snowball effect, which actually really helps kata do her job better. Because if Kata doesn't pick up those kills, she isn't a high prio for target selection for killing. because another player will be in a higher prio order. Teams with less than 3 CC will have a extremely hard time dealing with two damage threats. But that is hypothetical.
Now to somewhat help defend you.
Kata is a higher skill cap champion. 99% of players will make mistakes with her. Bad positioning, bad blinks, bad engages, bad everything. She is a very very high mistake prone champion, akin to Yasuo. So over nerfing her will result in a high diminish to the playerbase, similar to what happened to Ryze in high elo.
My thoughts. With the direction that Riot is currently going, I think that she will stay as she is, because I think it is within what they are expecting. But what we should see soon is a lot more grounding abilities. They made Poppy accessible to grounds, and made Cass ground better. I think we will see a period in which champions like Karma (W?), Morg (R), etc may have grounds tied to them.
If riot goes in that direction Kata will die as a champion, along side Yas, Kas, Irelia, Akali, Lucian, Ez, etc. We will see the tank meta come back even though they don't touch damage at all.
But hey what do I know, I'm just some random diamond player saying a random thought on a random post at a random hour, randomly.
Heko The Man3 votesKata is a higher skill cap champion. 99% of players will make mistakes with her. Bad positioning, bad blinks, bad engages, bad everything.
WHAT? KAT HIGH SKILL CAP? LOL? SINCE WHEN? She was master yi skillcap since her release, easiest champ ever just like lux.
Voluug132 votesMalz was a threat pre-rework/pre-nerfhammer. Right now Katarina can just harass him endlessly because of his mediocre skill damage early on and counterpush just about the same he can push because she gets manaless low cd aoe to easily clear voidlings.
preternatural1 votesMalz was a threat pre-rework/pre-nerfhammer. Right now Katarina can just harass him endlessly because of his mediocre skill damage early on and counterpush just about the same he can push because she gets manaless low cd aoe to easily clear voidlings.
how to deal with malz as katachuchu
E - W - wait - wait - Q - R - E
well done you just killed a malzahar even though he combo'd you. double points if you built a hexderper
Genghis Khat3 voteshow to deal with malz as katachuchu
E - W - wait - wait - Q - R - E
well done you just killed a malzahar even though he combo'd you. double points if you built a hexderper
true ,-, i remember the days malza was a counter to kat but now he can barely even put his shit on the minions xd without me jumping him and outtrading/killing him
NelsieLisnen3 votesTry to be reasonable in a rant post=downvotes. That was your one and only mistake dude.
JuiceBoxP1 votesTry to be reasonable in a rant post=downvotes. That was your one and only mistake dude.
You are probably right. OP probably heard that she is "a low elo stomper" from a stream of some high elo scrubs smurfing with her on iron.
NelsieLisnen2 votesShe is a stomper exactly because of people like the poster of this discussion. They think they can explain everything through winrates. I'd love to see them explain why she is never picked in pro play. According to u.gg Akali is Katarina's best matchup. Tell that to any serious pro and they'll die laughing in a shit puddle of their own making. Akali can continuously trade into Katarina, and keep her off the creeps for like the first 4 waves. Especially if you match her cheesy conqueror with yours. Akali can also negate Katarina's ultimate with the press of a button and then proceed to smash her with superior mobility. Any good mage can also keep her off the wave and severely punish her if she takes a dagger. Katarina's weakness comes down to her having a very streamlined and predictable engage pattern. If every player knew how to take advantage of her non existent early laning then we wouldn't be seeing these farces.
JuiceBoxP2 votesShe is a stomper exactly because of people like the poster of this discussion. They think they can explain everything through winrates. I'd love to see them explain why she is never picked in pro play. According to u.gg Akali is Katarina's best matchup. Tell that to any serious pro and they'll die laughing in a shit puddle of their own making. Akali can continuously trade into Katarina, and keep her off the creeps for like the first 4 waves. Especially if you match her cheesy conqueror with yours. Akali can also negate Katarina's ultimate with the press of a button and then proceed to smash her with superior mobility. Any good mage can also keep her off the wave and severely punish her if she takes a dagger. Katarina's weakness comes down to her having a very streamlined and predictable engage pattern. If every player knew how to take advantage of her non existent early laning then we wouldn't be seeing these farces.
I couldn't have said it better chief.
I was shocked that it says on u.gg that akali is her highest winrate. akali is like her biggest counter in lane... she craps on katarina. And anyone who doesn't agree probably haven't been playing katarina vs akali a lot.
those winrate websites are a load of nonsense.
Genghis Khat2 votesI couldn't have said it better chief.
I was shocked that it says on u.gg that akali is her highest winrate. akali is like her biggest counter in lane... she craps on katarina. And anyone who doesn't agree probably haven't been playing katarina vs akali a lot.
those winrate websites are a load of nonsense.
ive played alot kat vs akali never lost once ^^ idk exactly how she "dumpsters" kat E is not hittable, q does no damage, she cant reliably proc her passive vs katarina cause she jumps like a fish on ice, her shroud LITERALLY is useless cause kats dropped daggers/ult are the entire radius of it, her R is flashable ^.^ so how does she dumpster kat? i barely ever drop down below 50% while destroying akalis. i guess thats just me?
JuiceBoxP1 votesive played alot kat vs akali never lost once ^^ idk exactly how she "dumpsters" kat E is not hittable, q does no damage, she cant reliably proc her passive vs katarina cause she jumps like a fish on ice, her shroud LITERALLY is useless cause kats dropped daggers/ult are the entire radius of it, her R is flashable ^.^ so how does she dumpster kat? i barely ever drop down below 50% while destroying akalis. i guess thats just me?
I dunno man, every time i get to play against an akali she just sits ontop of the minion wave and q's me when i try to farm followed by a 1000000 units auto attack followed by another q if i try to last hit another minion.
Also her AOE Q early on makes me get pushed hard into the turret where i am easier to flank from outside.
If you got any tips, i'd love some.
Genghis Khat3 votesI dunno man, every time i get to play against an akali she just sits ontop of the minion wave and q's me when i try to farm followed by a 1000000 units auto attack followed by another q if i try to last hit another minion.
Also her AOE Q early on makes me get pushed hard into the turret where i am easier to flank from outside.
If you got any tips, i'd love some.
go hard on her level 2? Q jump to her and the dagger aa? dodge her E? if she picked W second then u get free damage and jump out afterwards? basic plays? rince and repeat? dont let he hitr E simple plays really not hard to dodge it, W is useless for akali, You really think her Q and maybe AA + 2-3 minions outdamage your entire combo?
WaluigiBestGirl6 votesif you knew the basics of how winrate works you would know we dont just use winrates.
its winrates WITH pickrates that make the stat meaningful.
low winrate low pickrate overall? the champion is guarunteed weak for the current meta.
low winrate high pickrate? assuming the champion is mechanically challenging, this should be normal if its ~49%. if its less then they become a candidate for a buff, although this one varies by champion.
high winrate low pickrate? champion is usually too underused to make a claim for either side due to a low pool to draw stats from.
but if katarina has a high winrate and pickrate, for people that DONT EVEN MAIN HER, there is a serious problem.
Ęsdeath2 votesWell ... reading your message, I don't even know why we have a balance team at this point ...
Let's just check a website and make a thread raging about a champion whose only way of winning the game is by being in her second home (bot lane). She starts snowballing aggressively as soon as her enemies make a mistake, she punishes mistakes ... that was her nature all along. What the heck is your problem now?
Besides, I don't see op.gg nor champion.gg stating 54% win rates.
Pxerkza11 votesshe is considered OP atm dunno what changed for her maybe as the meta is damage orientated with low cc katarina just tends to pop off more
JuiceBoxP2 votesshe is considered OP atm dunno what changed for her maybe as the meta is damage orientated with low cc katarina just tends to pop off more
Flash news, the meta is mobility oriented with tons of cc. Don't know what game you've been playing all this time.
Pxerkza5 votesDiamond far from tons of cc most of my games there is even a huge lack of said cc since everyone and their mothers goes assassins
JuiceBoxP1 votesDiamond far from tons of cc most of my games there is even a huge lack of said cc since everyone and their mothers goes assassins
Oh, it's as though you aren't trying to troll on the boards with your fake bought account without any games in the past month. Scratch that, you are trolling.
Pxerkza3 votes
OtterlyLost11 votesShe was a low elo stomper... pre rework. Now she's a very complicated and interesting champion... who is actually too strong at higher elos because her mobility is insane.
I don't feel like she needs to be nerfed but I also don't think she should be buffed like many many of her mains feels. Many of them want to remove the actual counterplay she has in the form of her delays. :/
HarveyiKfAbQ1 votesAs a Katarina main, I would prefer they nerfed gunblade and moved some of it's power into her kit. But considering it's Riot, they may just break so lol, let's just leave her in her current state.
Genghis Khat6 votesAs a Katarina main, I would prefer they nerfed gunblade and moved some of it's power into her kit. But considering it's Riot, they may just break so lol, let's just leave her in her current state.
or just nerf gunblade cause its bs broken and not touch katarina at all or nerf her directly.
preternatural4 votesor just nerf gunblade cause its bs broken and not touch katarina at all or nerf her directly.
yeah this is probably best bet. it's no secret that the gunblade users are broken once they get a gunblade. wonder why that is
preternatural8 votesit's s9 and lol community still doesn't know how to use CC
letsfeedtogether13 votesCc does not work i guess. If she has 54% win rate.
I like how you ignore deta.
IP Masquerena6 votesHer number of games is low, which means 2 things:
If I was a Kat main, I wouldn't pick her when the enemy teams looks like this: Croc boots top, Skarner jg, Alistar support and Talon mid, but I would pick her when it looks like Ryze top, Yi jg, Zed mid and Lux support.
Basically, her winrate is a tad inflated.
HarveyiKfAbQ4 votesThis is exactly the type of argument people miss out on here.
Katarina does amazing against shit team comps. And even in masters you don't decide what your teammates pick. Katarina does shit in any team which has a tank and more than a single champ with CC.
LuxButt993 votesnothing to cc she jumps at u in 0.1 micro seconds and deletes u at the same speed not saying ur advice is bad but just describing a common frusration with that champ
preternatural2 votesnothing to cc she jumps at u in 0.1 micro seconds and deletes u at the same speed not saying ur advice is bad but just describing a common frusration with that champ
EXACTA!
Gall7 votesShe's disgusting to play both with and against. They either steamroll the entire game, making the entire game revolve around her, OR she is useless the entire game, making the entire team wish they had literally anyone else to be viable.
Simply put, she is not in a healthy state right now, leaning more on being overpowered than anything else.
huhndog6 votesWhat annoys me the most is that people love to smurf as her. When I started playing league, there were so many games with a incredibly fed 
. I've grown to get used to playing against her now, but back then I was really considering of dropping the game
SweedishGunner2 votesIf Yummi and Ez are banned I'll ban Kat in a heartbeat simply due to how many Kat smurfs there are.