I have mixed feelings about the upcoming Sona changes but I will keep an open mind for now. I do have one request for riot though. Could Sona's passive please proc thunder lords and spellthief? I mean bard gets to use his passive to proc thunderlord and spellthief and his passive is a lot easier to use. Could Sona do this as well please?
Thank you.
Warmanreaper2 votesSona's literally one of if not the most OP support.. Everything she has is based off ap , which is a REALLY Broken combo. Heals + damage based off ap is bad.
StoryDuck2 votesIf she was OP I think we would see her banned more. She's immobile, squishy and lacks an escape ability or hard CC until lvl 6. In exchange she gets some other bonuses in the form of AoE buffs. Against Bard, Zyra, Nami, Karma and such she has to get within AA range to proc her passive. I feel she should be rewarded for that and an enemy can see when her passive is up allowing counterplay. It's a small change but one I feel fits her identity.
Çhåryzård3 votesSona's literally one of if not the most OP support.. Everything she has is based off ap , which is a REALLY Broken combo. Heals + damage based off ap is bad.
Meanwhile, literally every other poke support does more damage than her. Just look it up and compare.
Hell she isn't even the only support that doesn't have to aim
Lady Hammerlock2 votesSona's literally one of if not the most OP support.. Everything she has is based off ap , which is a REALLY Broken combo. Heals + damage based off ap is bad.
She has 1 fault point that no1 can deny HER MANA DISSAPEARS FASTER THEN GOD FORBIDDEN SWAIN
Warmanreaper1 votesYes cause all you have to do to play sona is faceroll which is the cause of her mana being so low.
The Yetii Rider2 votesHah! After these changes, you're going to build Talisman on her. (I already am) Don't worry about Thunderlords or Spellthief's. Just go 
with Windspeaker's and heal your whole team for 400 every 5 seconds.
chipndip11 votes[{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nmk7yQLE,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-07-03T03:30:07.084+0000)
Hah! After these changes, you're going to build Talisman on her. (I already am) Don't worry about Thunderlords or Spellthief's. Just go
I don't think you can properly stack Athene's with that amount of AP.
I'd take Eye of the Watchers. This also makes room for Locket of the Iron Solari, and you can use Lich over Crucible if the enemy team doesn't have too much in the way of stuns and snares.
The Yetii Rider1 votesLich Bane is pointless with that amount of AP. Eye of the Watchers doesn't give you 45 armor, which you desperately need to keep up the hail of healing.
Remember, after these changes Sona's heal is going to be on a 2 second cooldown or something disgusting like that. Way better to have 30% Heal Power than Locket.
chipndip11 votes[{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nmk7yQLE,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2016-07-03T18:04:58.151+0000)
Lich Bane is pointless with that amount of AP. Eye of the Watchers doesn't give you 45 armor, which you desperately need to keep up the hail of healing.
Remember, after these changes Sona's heal is going to be on a 2 second cooldown or something disgusting like that. Way better to have 30% Heal Power than Locket.
Lower cds means more Qs and more Ws.
Lich is a last item choice I use to stack Athene's better with.
Locket has better defensive stats than Crucible and comes with a stronger shield than Sona's W.
Sona's W is used for the shield by late-game rather than the heal.
They're buffing Sona's powerchord damage too.
The Yetii Rider1 votes
Lower cds means more Qs and more Ws.
Lich is a last item choice I use to stack Athene's better with.
Locket has better defensive stats than Crucible and comes with a stronger shield than Sona's W.
Sona's W is used for the shield by late-game rather than the heal.
They're buffing Sona's powerchord damage too.
Sona's W is being completely changed. You can't say "It's used for the shield late-game" when they're reworking her.
New heal has higher bases. New heal has a shorter cooldown. There are now items that increase healing done, and you can stack them. Sona's shield no longer extends its duration by tagging multiple allies. Sona's E now gives out of combat move speed so it's harder to stack up her shield in battle where it counts. It's a completely different ability.
chipndip11 votes[{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nmk7yQLE,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-03T19:39:46.972+0000)
Sona's W is being completely changed. You can't say "It's used for the shield late-game" when they're reworking her.
New heal has higher bases. New heal has a shorter cooldown. There are now items that increase healing done, and you can stack them. Sona's shield no longer extends its duration by tagging multiple allies. Sona's E now gives out of combat move speed so it's harder to stack up her shield in battle where it counts. It's a completely different ability.
It's not a major overhaul. W is also losing its % missing health scaling, and the aoe shield can tag up to 5 targets while the heal is only Sona and one other person. That isn't changing, and thus the core reasoning behind using her W (the shield) still stands. Both before and after the upcoming patch, Sona's shield will be the point of W, not the heal.
With this said, the point of increasing Sona's healing done is because the same items synergize with other parts of her kit. Athene's stacks while you use your Q, which you'll use often, and then it effectively doubles your heal on W. Athene's and Crucible beefs up your shield while it beefs up your heal, which is more important as it's more effective health passed around more people.
Edit: Oh wait, this was over Lich, not Locket.
Thus, what's the point of a cleanse and 15 more heal/shield per 100 healed/shielded when you can get a few hundred more damage on a target, full stack your Athene's, and pass that bonus healing to your ally on a very decreased cooldown, thus implying this can happen over and over? Assuming we don't need the cleanse from Crucible.
The Yetii Rider1 votesThe Unique Passive that replaced Mana Font is not named, thus it should apply both when you have Athene's and Mikael's, and stack. So the question then becomes, is 100% bonus health regen or 200% bonus mana regen better than the extra MS and damage from Lich Bane?
Considering the build has no magic penetration at all, and that Sona needs to get into 550 range to launch her strike (which takes her further away from her allies who may need healing), I would argue Lich Bane completely goes against the point of the build. You are standing in the back and healing as much as possible, like Soraka but without health costs. You don't want to get closer to the enemy.
chipndip11 votes[{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nmk7yQLE,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-03T22:26:26.092+0000)
The Unique Passive that replaced Mana Font is not named, thus it should apply both when you have Athene's and Mikael's, and stack. So the question then becomes, is 100% bonus health regen or 200% bonus mana regen better than the extra MS and damage from Lich Bane?
Considering the build has no magic penetration at all, and that Sona needs to get into 550 range to launch her strike (which takes her further away from her allies who may need healing), I would argue Lich Bane completely goes against the point of the build. You are standing in the back and healing as much as possible, like Soraka but without health costs. You don't want to get closer to the enemy.
Except tha goes against the point of the changes, where they take power out of her actives and put that into her AAs and auras. You still want to be landing your powerchord on someone. Lich makes the blue one not worthless at that point in the game.
Melledoneus2 votesI thought you were going to say "jiggle physics."
But seriously, every time I see Sona changes my mind ignores the wall of text. They're so hard to read.
StoryDuck1 voteshmmm...maybe I should change the name of the thread to "Two Minor Requests for Sona"
kuzzy471 votesbraindead poke champ with heal and shield gut plz
StoryDuck4 votesI don't think I will ever understand the hatred for Sona on these boards.
Çhåryzård7 votesI don't think I will ever understand the hatred for Sona on these boards.
It's because whenever a support main comes here pointing out actual problems, everyone thinks they are whining and complaining and have no idea what they are talking about. It's annoying really.
I even had someone who has NEVER touched Sona try to argue about her with me, when she used to be my main support.
It's a toxic attitude and I see it a lot. A support main comes to the boards with a serious question/problem, knows what they are talking about, explains it, and people who haven't touched the role immediately downvote and act like they know better.
StoryDuck4 votesI do feel like that is the typical response to anything support talked about here. I just don't understand it. I've always known the support role was thankless (i main support as well) but on the boards it seems hostile like there is a deep seeded hatred for support players.
Çhåryzård3 votesI do feel like that is the typical response to anything support talked about here. I just don't understand it. I've always known the support role was thankless (i main support as well) but on the boards it seems hostile like there is a deep seeded hatred for support players.
I don't really get it either.
Like y'all expect me to be helping you guys not die and get fed but then trash on me when I discuss my role.
And it isn't like we are talking about it for no reason...Riot just made some serious changes. Hell Sona's entire playstyle is changing (I actually asked Meddler today on another thread what their goal with her was because right now its not clear and a mess...hopefully I get a response). We have reason to discuss and be skeptical because some of these changes can either work really well or destroy the champion.
I mean, if you see a big update for any other role everyone is discussing it, but supports start discussing the changes to their role and people who have never touched it take it upon themselves to talk down to me...like...?????
I don't understand it. It seems much worse on the boards too. In game is fine, I do my thing and generally have a good time. But the boards can be pretty bad.