How the hell is this considered a buff to veigar?

Predatore·Sep 3, 2015·6 votes·699 views

You get an extra little bit of ap each game now thats ok i guess... But HOLY YOUR W COOLDOWN IS BASICALLY .25 SECONDS SHORTER

21 Comments

Curling VeigarSep 3, 20157 votes

both are QoL changes

BârdSep 3, 20153 votes

No.

Both of them change the mechanics of Veigar. They are NOT Qol.

Just VERY minor buffs.

Kanzaki RankoSep 3, 20156 votes

no reason to complain, a buff is a buff,even if its reallly small...

JefftiffySep 3, 20152 votes

I mean if you are 2/x/11 now you have anywhere from 11-55 more AP. That means a lot.

PredatoreSep 3, 20152 votes

Its not that common to happen though. Unless your team is picking up kills left and right, you might get a little bit of extra ap every once in a while.

MathbalnaseSep 3, 20152 votes

It means Veigar can now play less selfishly when his allies are around. He can play in more conventionally optimal ways without being punished (by not getting AP from his Q passive).

The repercussions for his playstyle are a lot bigger than just 'a little bit of extra ap every once in a while'.

MarthianSep 4, 20151 votes

that's not even before multipliers like passive, dragon, or rabadon's too.

Big LincolnSep 3, 20152 votes

W change is actually really good

It feels better to use and since it technically has less delay (technically), it comes out a bit faster.

I would've preferred having the cast time removed but this is a nice change

Overlord ForteSep 3, 20152 votes

Because it's a significant buff to his reliability curve?

Veigar no longer has to stress himself about getting final blows - if someone else secures it, he gets his AP. His AP scaling curve now literally always goes up, kill or not. Your ADC gets the kill and Veigar has an assist? Welcome to double dipping - both your carries are getting bigger.

His Dark Matter will impact his cage/stun timings significantly. It's going from 1.5s to impact to 1.25s to impact - tenacity users will actually have more trouble dodging it inside his Event Horizon cage. As is, at level 1 stun, his W can miss targets because the stun isn't long enough to hold them there.

Joe DreddSep 3, 20151 votes

jesus christ ur icon line up does my heart justice

Overlord ForteSep 4, 20151 votes

Oh I'd forgotten about that

yeah it's pretty neat looking

SirPacifistaSep 4, 20151 votes

Because it's a significant buff to his reliability curve?

No? Ap from assist is nice, but wont change much, depending how many assist you get (which wont be much, since you are a nuker, possible but not likely to get many)

His Dark Matter will impact his cage/stun timings significantly. It's going from 1.5s to impact to 1.25s to impact - tenacity users will actually have more trouble dodging it inside his Event Horizon cage.

There is the troublemaker :

inside his Event Horizon cage

His W will still dont hit if the enemy isnt caged. And the Cage is the one which should be buffed, or the whole kit need to be reworked (may god help us that this dont happen) since there is absolutly no synergy in his kit.

Joe DreddSep 3, 20152 votes

because it makes him better?

jjookkeerrSep 3, 20152 votes

i would preffer buff the ratio of his ult and remove the enemy ap ratio

TrídentSep 4, 20152 votes

A buff is a buff.

CalabokSep 3, 20151 votes

What is the real problem?

None found

SirPacifistaSep 4, 20151 votes

No synergy in his kid and he will still not be reliable to be played in higher elos. His Playstlye wont change a bit, he will stay unreliable, thats the problem of the op.