So... Leblanc. With a replay this time.

Melledoneus·May 25, 2018·20 votes·5,084 views

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I understand 118 MR isn't an absurd amount, but should assassins be allowed to deal this much damage with a full build?

Discuss.

78 Comments

IxozieIMay 25, 201818 votes

I mean she was absurdly fed. Why your whole team didn't build MR is beyond me. To put it in perspective she did as much damage as the rest of her team combined. Out of her team's 43 kills she has 26.

118 mr is a very small amount when you factor in void staff / sorc boots.

MelledoneusMay 25, 20181 votes

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I mean she was absurdly fed. Why your whole team didn't build MR is beyond me. To put it in perspective she did as much damage as the rest of her team combined. Out of her team's 43 kills she has 26.

Agreed. But we were also dealing with a late game Jinx. Not really much of a choice given there. Building defensively doesn't work in the face of that much armor/magic pen.

118 mr is a very small amount when you factor in void staff / sorc boots.

If you think about it any MR amount under 220is a very small amount when you have that much MPen. And it's not like she gave up that much damage to build it, either.

hhaavviikkMay 25, 20186 votes

an ADC with that many kills could have done the same to a squishy

TempName09345May 25, 20186 votes

she's literally so massively ahead due to it being silver and your carries having 0 MR v a 26 KILL LeBlanc

why did you get wits end also? to give mpen to lux implying she even knows what the item does and not knowing the fact that anyone on that team will blow her up instantly cause she barely has any defenses? that item literally makes 0 sense on shen and adaptive helm or SV would've been better.

and yes leblanc is one of the few assassins that can ALMOST 100-0 a tank due to her sigil proc dmg etc, but she can't do anything after that. and please dont say "but she one shot ezreal!!!!"" he literally flashes into a bush that has a 15+ kill leblanc and he has ZERO MR.

KhristophorosMay 25, 20182 votes

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TempName09345May 25, 20183 votes

???

is she not massively ahead??? she almost 100-0s a tank and then kills the stupid ass adc that flashes into her with 0 MR with Q>W??? sorry you think leblanc is a problematic champ when in fact she's no where near that!

KhristophorosMay 25, 20182 votes

You think a level 18 assassin should be able to combo out a level 18 tank? And then turn around and casually 1 shot an ADC who is 1 level below?

Immobile mages still need their combo for a 0 MR ADC. Reality check bro. Why is the most mobile assassin/mage also doing that much damage?

D357R0Y3RMay 25, 20186 votes

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You think a level 18 assassin should be able to combo out a level 18 tank?

you mean, tank that refused to take the 200 hp from resolve tree at lvl 18, grasp ~~200 hp in late game and bonus shielding IN ADDITION TO NOT BUYING MR? yea i do think she should be able to do that, she also wasted her entire cd on him

tanks are not meant to be immortal, they're meant to soak damage for their team if the tank soak damage for nobody he played bad

additionally, if you check leblanc's numbers it's lower than other assassins

in this situation fizz would have completly removed him from the map, not letting him escape with 100 hp and before you talk about fizz's W delay, it's getting removed as well if you read meddler's last gameplay post

KhristophorosMay 25, 20181 votes

Ok so I think immobile mages should actually do more damage than LB. Convince me otherwise.

D357R0Y3RMay 25, 20184 votes

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Ok so I think immobile mages should actually do more damage than LB.

which immobile mage doesn't?

vel'koz can roflstomp an entire team, did you watch KZ vs RNG? vladimir is beyond broken right now

some immobile mage like taliyah deals less damage but have a busted utility this is balanced

KhristophorosMay 25, 20181 votes

I mean from early levels onward, not just if they are farmed.

LB is fucking stupid because she starts doing massive burst from level 3 in addition to having insane mobility. It doesn't even matter what the state of the minion wave is because she will dash in, burst, and if you survive just return and you can't punish her cooldowns because she's now back chilling at her turret. And now that you've taken over 50% of your hp you have to back because her CDs will be back.

You know if I am Vel'koz and I fail to kill with my ult? It's on a long ass cooldown and I'm not putting on much kill pressure even if I got them low. If I got them low enough to back? Ok I had to spend a long cooldown to do it.

Dead flag bluesMay 25, 20184 votes

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I mean from early levels onward, not just if they are farmed.

LB is fucking stupid because she starts doing massive burst from level 3 in addition to having insane mobility. It doesn't even matter what the state of the minion wave is because she will dash in, burst, and if you survive just return and you can't punish her cooldowns because she's now back chilling at her turret. And now that you've taken over 50% of your hp you have to back because her CDs will be back.

You know if I am Vel'koz and I fail to kill with my ult? It's on a long ass cooldown and I'm not putting on much kill pressure even if I got them low. If I got them low enough to back? Ok I had to spend a long cooldown to do it.

LB is an assassin, Vel'koz is an artillery mage

KhristophorosMay 25, 20181 votes

Oh right because "it's her job!!" to automatically kill her lane opponent no matter what they do

Dead flag bluesMay 25, 20181 votes

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Oh right because "it's her job!!" to automatically kill her lane opponent no matter what they do

Same as Zed you buy item 3157 or you die, Malzahar you buy item 3140 or you die, with LB you simply go with item 3102

TempName09345May 25, 20182 votes

yes i think they should if the tanks builds stupidly. the shen has a wits end and mercs v a 26 kill LB ROFL

and as I said, LB is one of the few assassins that can do that due to tanks due to her sigil procs and how much dmg they do but her doing that, literally is a teamfight win for the other team since she doesnt have anything for the backline.

and literally ANY other assassin would've done that to the ezreal? what kind of dumbass squishy with no defenses flashes into an assassin that has 15+ kills???

and you're literally delusional. she does that damage but at the same time goes in and risks her life getting chain ccd and 100-0d. but that doesn't happen in silver, i mean look @ where his team is on the map @ 41mins. they should be grouped but everyone is split doing who knows what. if they were grouped, that wouldn't have happened and she probably would've died.

idek what immobile mages have to do with this but go off i guess

saltranMay 25, 20183 votes

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yes i think they should if the tanks builds stupidly. the shen has a wits end and mercs v a 26 kill LB ROFL

and as I said, LB is one of the few assassins that can do that due to tanks due to her sigil procs and how much dmg they do but her doing that, literally is a teamfight win for the other team since she doesnt have anything for the backline.

and literally ANY other assassin would've done that to the ezreal? what kind of dumbass squishy with no defenses flashes into an assassin that has 15+ kills???

and you're literally delusional. she does that damage but at the same time goes in and risks her life getting chain ccd and 100-0d. but that doesn't happen in silver, i mean look @ where his team is on the map @ 41mins. they should be grouped but everyone is split doing who knows what. if they were grouped, that wouldn't have happened and she probably would've died.

idek what immobile mages have to do with this but go off i guess

And Ezreal could've survived if he used the active of item 3040 or if he had item 3156 or if he didn't fking flash into the face of a feed LB.

If there something I despise is how the same Boards that hate adcs at the same time use them to prove that assasins are brouken because "oh the feed assasin can one shot an adc that goes alone" but if he survived they would complain about adcs being brouken that can even survive the combo of a feed assasin. Fk off, Ezreal deserved to die there.

And well, Shen just needed to buy item 3194 to not be bursted by LB and having Resolve insread of Precision would also help.

OnotoriMay 25, 20185 votes

Don't worry, she's fair! You just misplayed that, yep.

We wouldn't revert a champ who was so broken she had to be reworked to be considered anything but a god, right? Not like LB had been broken for years or anything.

Eternal TormentMay 25, 20181 votes

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Don't worry, she's fair! You just misplayed that, yep.

We wouldn't revert a champ who was so broken she had to be reworked to be considered anything but a god, right? Not like LB had been broken for years or anything.

Well, it used to be worse. her Q used to have a silence for as long as 2.5 Seconds which could be reapplied with her R(Q) for up to 5 seconds

Edit: It was the Q not the E. Thanks for the correction @Akali Is so HOT

OnotoriMay 25, 20182 votes

Oh I know, but she's still never been anything but god tier. And Riot acts like she's better now that she lost any counterplay she had.

Eternal TormentMay 25, 20182 votes

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Oh I know, but she's still never been anything but god tier. And Riot acts like she's better now that she lost any counterplay she had.

her rework was way worse honestly. She still had all that burst, but it just had a little delay, and it wavecleared too hard. Riot was put to a choice to remove either her waveclear or her damage. they tried removing her damage, and it resulted in one of the worst rage-outbursts by the playerbase ever, so they took her waveclear by reverting her.

OnotoriMay 25, 20181 votes

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they tried removing her damage, and it resulted in one of the worst rage-outbursts by the playerbase ever, so they took her waveclear by reverting her.

So ignore the whiners who abused her bullshit damage for freelo. Game health is more important.

Eternal TormentMay 25, 20183 votes

Except the whiners were almost literally EVERYONE. There was not a single high elo streamer OR pro player who even remotely liked her rework, some even blatantly insulted it.

And believe me, a waveclear bot LB was one of the worst inventions riot made since zoe.

ModWulf HelhammerMay 25, 20186 votes

she's still never been anything but god tier

That's pretty blatantly false.

YoRHa 2BMay 25, 20183 votes

Huh, never seen you around here. Are you new? Just asking because your nick is polish :v

ModWulf HelhammerMay 25, 20181 votes

No, I’ve been here a while. Have had a few different names before though (The Wolf King was what I originally had when I became a mod)

Also, yes, it’s polish :3 My last name is polish, so that’s why decided on it

YoRHa 2BMay 25, 20181 votes

So, are you polish?

ModWulf HelhammerMay 25, 20182 votes

By descent, yes. Grandfather on my dad’s side.

But I was born in the US and live in the US.

YoRHa 2BMay 26, 20181 votes

M'kay, I was just curious. Have a nice day

ShaolinToiletMay 25, 20182 votes

Why is this post allowed in gameplay

Automated RivenMay 25, 20184 votes

Yes. The thing about leblanc is that she is entirely single target if she wants to deal meaningful damage. If she did not have the ability to deal stupidly high single target damage she would be worthless.

Other mages may have less single target damage but if you compound the AOE damage x2-5 they end up dealing way way more damage then her over the course of a teamfight. the only way leblanc deals AOE is by w-r, which is still rather small radius and low damage overall.

Fisher No ChainsMay 25, 20181 votes

the only way leblanc deals AOE is by w-r, which is still rather small radius and low damage overall.

And also throws one of the squishiest champions in the game into melee range xd

Automated RivenMay 25, 20181 votes

That too.

P4ppinoMay 25, 20183 votes

Yes, they should.

OtherworldzMay 25, 20183 votes

If you're trying to survive a hyper fed LeBlanc as a tank like Shen try building Adaptive helm instead of Wit's End for MR next time. I'm actually amazed that some people still don't realize how hard Adaptive Helm counters LB's burst potential.

You should also try taking actual tank runes next time to.

MelledoneusMay 25, 20181 votes

I was trying a new build that game.

But how does adaptive helm help? Last I remember she uses multiple abilities and doesn't spam the same one?

OtherworldzMay 25, 20182 votes

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I was trying a new build that game.

But how does adaptive helm help? Last I remember she uses multiple abilities and doesn't spam the same one?

Most of her damage is loaded onto 2 part abilities except distortion and mimic distortion. Adaptive Helm directly counters the root damage on her tether and the mark damage from the sigil which both have to occur in less than 4 seconds. This also applies to the mimic version of both spells to. Leblanc's E, RE, and RQ are backloaded now as well so the initial hit does far less damage, giving adaptive helm a chance to mitigate even more of her combo as they're all 2 part abilities.

MelledoneusMay 25, 20181 votes

Hey, that's actually pretty neat, I didn't know that. I'll definitely keep that in mind for next time.

It's funny because I thought that building a tank MR item would be pointless because of her Void staff and MPen, so I just didn't. Now I feel dumb haha.

Thanks for sharing, that's actually very good information.

saltranMay 25, 20182 votes

While I agree that it was disgusting you should take the clip with the items and score open imo, to get more information.

DemainaNyxMay 25, 20181 votes

That and keep Leblanc highlighted so we can see her cooldowns so we can see what she used in what order more easily.

Automated RivenMay 25, 20181 votes

She used e-q+r-w on shen. And then q-w on ez.

DemainaNyxMay 25, 20181 votes

Yeah, I thought she used QW on Ez, but I couldn't tell for certain so having her highlighted would've made it more obvious.

Snowman ArcMay 25, 20182 votes

PTA Shen. Just uninstall League. You can't come here to bitch about something being broken, when you play PTA Shen.

It's why I find it hard to listen to most bronze or silver players when they voice their opinions. No one will take you seriously on anything when you do PTA Shen. If you want to be aggressive, at least get Conqueror...

MelledoneusMay 25, 20182 votes

I'd rather not take Conqueror on a champion with 0 damage scalings.

Also, telling somebody to uninstall is quite rude and I will have to ask you to take your rotten attitude elsewhere.

Snowman ArcMay 25, 20181 votes

PTA is even worse. It literally has 0 use. Your basic Shen combo is E into Q. By the time you proc PTA, you already used all your Qs, which is the time you back off.

MelledoneusMay 25, 20181 votes

PTA is better because you can lead your autos, amplify TH procs, and get another round of Q's with the damage.

It's great.

Bobloser3555May 25, 20181 votes

it depends on enemy team, if they all squishy conqueror is bad and also harder to proc

Snowman ArcMay 25, 20181 votes

I mean, Grasp on Shen should be the only keystone he takes, but comparing PTA and Conq, there really is no contest. You basically never proc PTA.

Automated RivenMay 25, 20181 votes

The fuck is this logic? PTA on shen is infinitely more valuable the conqueror. PTA does a ton of damage in lane, far more then conqueror considering shen has no way to utilize the bonus ad except from aa's. In addition he gains even more utility for the team late game by adding a damage amp.

Arguing PTA was a bad choice, was a valid opinion until you substituted conqueror.

ROFL.