I'm growing tired of entertaining your whims, Riot.

Melledoneus··222 votes·8,114 views

After nearly 8 years of working on this game you guys have gone from a bad balancing system to a worse one every season. The LCS has dictated how you balance the game, you play favorites with some champions while straight-up destroying others, just...

...why?

I was aware of these issues, but was optimistic because Riot has shown they can fix mistakes once or twice, and listen to the players once in a while. But now you've muted the playerbase and have gone full stupid-town on the balance of the game.

AD has been far too powerful in the game thanks to armor nerfs and lethality, but you insist on nerfing the item being used to survive in an AD dominant meta: Ninja tabi. For fuck's sake nerf physical damage already and stop adding kerosene to the fire.

Then we have our good old ninja Shen. Who you promised, after gutting his already broken and buggy kit, to change his ult so you don't have to nerf him for LCS again. Turns out that was a lie. At the same time his passive is getting nerfed again you reworked Galio to be a better Shen. Well, yipee-ki-yay time to forget about Shen and main the new champ, am I right? This is just plain insulting. This right here was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back for me, Riot.

Then we have Last Whisper. You basically made this item a 1300 gold "fuck you" to tanks by letting carries access the full 45% bonus armor pen even when behind. I cannot think of a single reason why and it's making me lose hope in your decision-making merit.

That tank rework better be really fucking good because it's got to be a legendary fucking masterpiece to make up for the shit you've put on our plate recently.

310 Comments

Malicious Metal95 votes

You know there's an actual issue when Melledoneus, of all people, flips his shit.

TyrekGoldenspear11 votes

Yeah. It's scary when our resident flippin' ninja main flips out.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku12 votes

lel... why nobody point out his mistake

AD has been far too powerful in the game thanks to armor nerfs and lethality, but you insist on nerfing the item being used to survive in an AD dominant meta: Ninja tabi.

come on... they already nerfed lethality as fck, and their users (despite staying some sht as Graves Quinn Jayce and Quinn )

Then we have Last Whisper. You basically made this item a 1300 gold "fuck you" to tanks by letting carries access the full 45% bonus armor pen even when behind. I cannot think of a single reason why and it's making me lose hope in your decision-making merit.

yeah they "buffed" item 3035 because tank were too strong... and adc too late to be useful... in game deciding in 15 first minutes.

That tank rework better be really fucking good because it's got to be a legendary fucking masterpiece to make up for the shit you've put on our plate recently.

gladly they lower tank damage too...

Wet Dryman4 votes

Tank Update won't change Tanks damage but make it less reliable. If you will ignore them, you won't give a shit about their telegraphed spells then you're gonna have a very bad time.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 votes

i don't think u can ignore someone with many cc, with short cooldown... have u seen next Galio even without his insane damage u couldn't ignore him. With or without damage, Tank will never be the priority to kill

Wet Dryman6 votes

My point wasn't about kill priority but to tell you that tanks will hurt you to same degree as before (with both cc and damage) so don't be a guy who will expect that they won't do anything to you damage wise. The difference is that you will be able to dodge or deny them most of their damage. It was just clarification :P

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

The difference is that you will be able to dodge or deny them most of their damage. It was just clarification :P

Yeah... i hope. but think its still be hardcore as squishy against tank at the top

BluePolarizer6 votes

playing carry vs. tank top is ez pz tbh. All you need is lifesteal or mixed damage.

Thilmer5 votes

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yeah they "buffed" item 3035 because tank were too strong...

Tell me you are saying this ironically, or you can't tell apart Tanks and Bruisers. Because Tanks haven't been strong since season 5.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku19 votes

Poppy Nautilus Maokai Shen Zac RekSai Gnar are weak since 5... yeah, funny

btw, i said Tank were strong and ... And yeah tank item were too strong.

Sraeg20133 votes

And of all of those champions only Nautilus and Shen are tanks.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku7 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/3A5uuBw7-champion-subclass-list

Tanks

Vanguards

Malphite Amumu Leona Zac Gragas Rammus Mega Gnar Sejuani Rek’Sai Sion Nautilus Skarner Wardens

Braum Nunu Tahm Kench Maokai Shen Thresh Alistar Poppy Galio (hybrid Battle Mage)

Sraeg20134 votes

And LeBlanc is a kite mage.

Excuse me while I don't give absolute crap about Riot's labels.

Wyrmblade10 votes

"G-guys p-please argue with definitions that I created to suit my point!"

~Sraeg2013

Rook Loux66 votes

Go home sir, you're drunk.

Dextix LT11 votes

Shen and Rek'Sai were nerfed into unplayability, only dedicated mains ever play them, why are they even on the list?

Gnar has not been a problem for a long time. The others were broken because of a keystone that was introduced.

OVERALL tanks have not been strong, only a few outlier here and there that could abuse items or the meta.

EROTIC RAID BOSS3 votes

this is super false. all those tanks have been strong in the last year, and several are quite strong right now, and they make life for ad carries pretty tough until late game

Dextix LT8 votes

Rek'sai, Strong? After the nerfs she is barely played! Same for shen! Yea, they saw pro play, and then got nerfed into obscurity INSTANTLY.

Gnar is not even a goddamn tank in the first place, only his melle form is tanky, he is a hybrid. And neither was he strong because of his tank form, he was strong because of his squishy form and range.

All of the other tanks that have been listed were not strong, they were mediocre, what broke them was the keystones and especially the one that was introduced not too long ago.

Ralanr28 votes

I might get back to playing regularly when the tank update hits.

Melledoneus17 votes

I was so disillusioned with DE when they ruined Warframe, and now I'm starting to feel that way with Riot. I might just straight up leave this sinking ship like I did Warframe.

Ralanr7 votes

Personally I've been trying other games because I've noticed that so much of my gaming is in league. I've found HoTS to be fun and I'm waiting on the new mass effect.

Melledoneus34 votes

Yeah. I really only play League for theee reasons at this point:

  1. It's something one of my close friends and I do on weekends over skype.
  2. Shen.
  3. The Boards.

Other than that League has grown very dull for me.

Malicious Metal14 votes

Pretty similar situation for me.

Though add 4. Having to deal with ranked decay and actually wanting to reach masters to that list

Takito4 votes

Mordekaiser Mordekaiser What about mordekaiser?Mordekaiser Mordekaiser

Malicious Metal4 votes

That'd be numero 2 on Melledoneus' list.

Beacon Academy3 votes

Pretty much the same here.

2 . Friends/Co-Workers 3 . Time invested

I used to have a number one somewhere but he has been missing for awhile Malzahar

Ahristocats4 votes

Why not play overwatch with me? i heard eu can play with na

Ralanr3 votes

I have it on PS4 not PC. I can't sink in the 40 dollars to get in on pc currently.

S0kaX14 votes

I'm surprised this post isn't already -6, but the "PROTECT RITO HURR DURR" squad might be late.

Melledoneus38 votes

That squad's numbers dwindle every day.

Keevalroy12 votes

{quoted}

That squad's numbers dwindle every day.

Good. Less white knights means less "padded" player to dev feedback. I've noticed this as well - they tend to congregate in posts started by Riot and have been driven away from pretty much everything else recently.

It's been nice not seeing things like this:

Riot randomly guts Fiddlesticks for no reason.

Community: What the hell Riot?? Why would you do this? What is the logic here!?

White knights: WAAAAAHHH STOP YELLING AT RIOT! IT'S RIOT'S GAME AND RIOT'S WILL! THY WILL BE DONE OH GLORY TO OUR GODS! IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT LEAVE!!!11!!11one!!1! They have every reason to gut Fiddle because they have stats and-and-and-and they know more than us and...shut up! Make your own game if you don't like what they do! WHO ARE YOU TO QUESTION THEM!?!?!!?!?!?


Parody aside, for a long time I was worried that this was turning into the World of Warcraft forums where any criticism to the game is seen as heresy to the religion of the boot lickers that have overwhelmed the social platforms.

Edit: Just noticed autocorrect error.

Ralanr12 votes

There's criticism and then there's just complaining without any real strength behind the argument beyond "fuck you"

I'm probably a white knight only because I can't stand arguments that aren't constructive at all.

Keevalroy4 votes

Nah that's not what I mean. I'm talking more about the people who will faithfully defend Riot no matter what they do regardless of how awful the change or addition of something is - the type of people who truly believe Riot can do no wrong, and we should be thanking them for the change and not even dare think about questioning how much thought went into something even though there's stats to show how negatively it affected the game. Stats mean nothing when you're a blind worshiper, so not only do they disagree, they're offended. That's the difference.

Skorch16 votes

I defend them when its needed,

Community: "God why you nerfing AP Shaco? you gutted AD shaco" Me: Stares at 56% winrate

Silverjust9 votes

when did they say they will nerf item 3047 ?

Melledoneus11 votes

We've seen some recent spikes in Ninja Tabi use, especially in high Elo ranked. Still assessing whether that's reflective of Ninja Tabi being too strong (they are really gold efficient) or whether that's a natural and appropriate reaction to some teams stacking a lot of physical damage dealers who auto attack (any game the enemy team's running a jungle Graves for example Ninja Tabi's value goes up quite a bit). We'd like to get more confidence we've properly distinguished between an item being too strong and an item being an appropriate safety valve basically. More thoughts on that to follow at some point.

This is almost verbatim the wording they used to describe Shen, who is getting nerfed despite what was said.

Silverjust9 votes

thats no proof

Beacon Academy8 votes

The logic follows that:

If Ninja Tabi is becoming popular over more offensive boots for non-tanks due to lethality

Then the issue is with "lethality"

HOWEVER

Riot is known for having thoughts going in the opposite direction of logic.

i.e. When a champion is becoming an issue due to one portion of their kit, instead of fixing the issue, they will simply in most cases double nerf by nerfing both the issue and something else.

Most likely they'll look at this and think "Tabi is apparently being used to counter lethality, must nerf until its not worth buying on non-tanks anymore" (I wouldn't even be surprised if they lowered the armor and raise the price for example)

Penns4 votes

AD has been far too powerful in the game thanks to armor nerfs and lethality

https://i.gyazo.com/0ae37021af940a90e354d81a6f8ac1ed.gif https://i.gyazo.com/a5599b698993136bf69e7db675770e79.png Fun gameplay, didnt even use his empowered Q lel

But what exactly are those nerfs to armor everyone is talking about? Cause I still think Ninja Tabi are too strong, lethality is just too strong as well.

Malicious Metal37 votes

Why are you always bringing up Fizz In every single thread you post in?

Penns2 votes

Because I got oneshot by a Rengar E-Auto-Q-auto as "tank"?

Malicious Metal30 votes

That's not a tank build. That's a bruiser build.

Fizz has ZERO tank steroids in his kit as well.

Penns3 votes

Still, that build is over 63% damage reduction + Tabi passive and 2600 HP. No reason for lethality items to give you that much damage considering the utility and defense you also get from them..

Melledoneus22 votes

If you consider 1 armor item and a ninja tabi "tank," you're gravely mistaken. You need at least 3 armor items to stand a chance against a carry or assassin who has not yet bought Last Whisper.

Penns2 votes

Well I did have 170 armor with that.. feelsbadman

Melledoneus18 votes

200 armor is considered minimalism.

~250 is the sweet spot.

Dracocrash11 votes

"why are you always bringing up fizz in every single post"

It's not like you do that with mordekaiser or anything..

Ralanr10 votes

You'd be surprised, but he doesn't.

SS Enforcer1 votes

Look buddy, you're bronze. Why should i think that your opinion holds any sort of value whatsoever if you're so bad at the game that you can't even get out of the lowest division?

Melledoneus8 votes

I don't usually play ranked, so there's one thing you should consider.

Even if I did play ranked and was stuck in Bronze for so long (since preseason 4), that would mean I understand the game very well but have not mechanically mastered it in practice. Similar to knowing every strategy to win a game of basketball but not having the strength or speed to put them into practice.

I swear, kids get to gold and they think they're above everyone.

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