So, we all know that Lux is absurdly OP right?

Unward49··31 votes·18,350 views

Just wanted to bring attention to this fact that a lot of people already know but some people don't seem to have caught onto yet.

Let's consider a couple of things here.

First, the changes to mana regen actually favored her a whole hell of a lot. Lux has always been mana hungry, but now, just with Frostqueens Claim and Morello, I can pretty much spam my spells (@45% cdr I might add) without ever really running out of mana.

And then there's thunderlords. Easiest... Proc... EVER. 1 spell and 1 auto attack. For some reason, the passive proc counts as another thunderlords stack. I happily pick Lux into Zed just because I can bully him out at level 1 and then survive long enough to scale without ever really being at threat from his all in unless he brings the jungler for help and I mean, it's Zed, who cares if you die a couple times, he needs to kill you 8 times in order to really end the game before you can scale. And if he doesn't, he better hope he never catches a bind by accident or you just delete him.

This Girl does Brand levels of damage and unlike Brand, she does it in one terrifying 100-0 burst combo. Brand gets a lot of damage, but a lot of that is burn damage and that is easy to negate with potions and shields and heals. There is NOTHING that will save you from the Lux combo. If you get caught, you die. You die so fast you can't react to it...

BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!

She also has the potential to give her team more shields than any other champ IN THE GAME! If you are properly layering your shields across your whole team, you can basically negate the enemy's aoe damage. That's like removing a Brand ult. It shields for as much damage as Brand's ult deals. That in and of it's self would be ok, but you can do this on a 7 second cooldown!

Simply put, if you are not very ahead of Lux, there is nothing you can do to inflict damage on her team. She will just shield it all. And unlike soraka who does no damage herself and has no good cc and has to actually put herself in harm's way to vamp back, Lux can kill you from 1000 units away. Good LUX ever closing the gap with her.

Now, for all that, she IS still quite weak early game, but the game's I've played it doesn't seem to matter. The enemy can shut me down all they like, I don't care, I just get frost Queens and Morello every game and once I have them, get on the Lux train. Lasers, Shields, Bindings out the yinyang and there is very little they can do to me directly, they have to go split push or something.

And the worst part. The absolute worst part is that before these changes I had like a 30% win rate with Lux. I am NOT particularly proficient with her. But she's so damn good that even I can be increadibly successful with her. After pre season, I have an 80% win rate with her. She is the most insanely overpowered thing I have ever had the fortune to pick up on before the meta caught up.

TLDR: Lux needs nerfs. I don't know how or to what, but she needs em, bad.

55 Comments

Posui Gart9 votes

now, just with Frostqueens Claim and Morello, I can pretty much spam my spells (@45% cdr I might add) without ever really running out of mana.

2200+2550 for 130 AP and solving mana problems most champions don't even have

This Girl does Brand levels of damage

She doesn't. She cant wipe 80% of your hp with a single combo at lvl5, she can't oneshot you at mid-late without even casting ult, and she can't deal %damage to tanks

If you get caught, you die. You die so fast you can't react to it

But I can. I can press a single button(summoner 21 ) and survive, i can dodge her Q with any mobility spell or summoner 4 , and if something is a problem-I can buy item 3155 . Once she uses her combo-she is a ranged minion with a shield. And if she is behind-she CANT oneshot me so she loses 1x1 without a single chance

It shields for as much damage as Brand's ult deals

You never played against Brand, did you? His single ult can 100-0 your ADC if he takes 3 hits, and your shield is 300-400 hp at best

And good luck playing against competent Zed(the one who will dodge your Qs, jump over them with W/R) and Fizz(the one who can jump over your Q and once you wasted it you are dead). There are also Xerath(with more range, lesser cd, and stun instead of slow), Talon(who can jump over your Q), Viktor(who can get tons of AP for that 4750 gold and shred 50% of your hp with a single E)

Unward491 votes

[{quoted}](name=Posui Gart,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nLvBEjwX,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-01-03T11:55:01.023+0000)

2200+2550 for 130 AP and solving mana problems most champions don't even have

She doesn't. She cant wipe 80% of your hp with a single combo at lvl5, she can't oneshot you at mid-late without even casting ult, and she can't deal %damage to tanks

But I can. I can press a single button(summoner 21 ) and survive, i can dodge her Q with any mobility spell or summoner 4 , and if something is a problem-I can buy item 3155 . Once she uses her combo-she is a ranged minion with a shield. And if she is behind-she CANT oneshot me so she loses 1x1 without a single chance

You never played against Brand, did you? His single ult can 100-0 your ADC if he takes 3 hits, and your shield is 300-400 hp at best

And good luck playing against competent Zed(the one who will dodge your Qs, jump over them with W/R) and Fizz(the one who can jump over your Q and once you wasted it you are dead). There are also Xerath(with more range, lesser cd, and stun instead of slow), Talon(who can jump over your Q), Viktor(who can get tons of AP for that 4750 gold and shred 50% of your hp with a single E)

Of course I have. I never throw a q at zed. I know better. I hit him with my e and if he comes at me, I proc it and THEN stun him and proc that too.

The Deckowner3 votes

lux doesnt have a stun u know

SaltyKracka8 votes

Gonna be honest with you dude, it isn't FQC that makes Lux OP. She's been OP ever since they buffed her Q and E for no reason several months ago.

Sir Fuzzi1 votes

Yeah the full-monty two-target Q was a pretty big nod to her AoE.

That said, they do keep buffing her consistently-- just look at her ult.

RenownedWheat422 votes

Holy fuckin necro buddy.

Sir Fuzzi1 votes

Damn I didn't even notice. It hit front so I went at 'er.

And she's still getting buffs, so at least I'm safe there!

PokladnicaZla7 votes

Just remove the instacast on her E and it's gonna be all okay.

Crett5 votes

i honestly hate her. it's not the 2 second snare, or the refreshing shield, the obnoxious poking OR EVEN the cross map snipes.

It's the laugh. that laugh on top of everything else puts her on Teemo Tier for me.

Sir Fuzzi1 votes

Yeah, but League loves to appeal to children. If their game wasn't annoying, it wouldn't be much at all.

Matezoide5 votes

To admit Lux is broken right now would take for Gameplay to admit their circlejerk for Lux buffs was completely retarded.

So no, it isnt going to happen.

NoPaxt4 votes

item 3156 item 3102 item 3065 item 3157 Something for every class...

Unward498 votes

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item 3156 item 3102 item 3065 item 3157 Something for every class...

Good, so I have forced an entire team to build to counter me. Now they don't have any damage and my shields are even MORE powerful for winning fights.

IcyPepper2 votes

I don't think he means everyone has to counterbuild.

I think he means every class has an opportunity to if the need arises on a case by case basis. If everyone on your team has to counterbuild against one person, that's person must be ridiculously fed.

NoPaxt1 votes

^^ What he said...

Xzayler2 votes

But still, a Zhonya's active cooldown is longer than lux's ult cooldown. Thats the most annoying thing. She lands an E on you, which isn't something you can just dodge since it's so big, that slows you, which makes it easier for Lux to land Q, which roots you for enough time for her to 100% land her ult. And you just come back in lane and she can pretty much instantly do the whole thing again. A zhonya is also expensive and often not a good first item on midlaners. What I really don't like is the sheer damage she does with such low cooldown and such a sure hit.

It might be just me having bad experiences but I feel lux's damage is a bit over the top in relation to the spammability of her abilities.

IcyPepper1 votes

No comment on Lux's abilities (because, well, she can be frustrating. And any champion can be overtuned at some point, so if she needs to visit the chopping block well more power to Rito), but...

But still, a Zhonya's active cooldown is longer than lux's ult cooldown.

Isn't that the case for most midlaners (and, er, most champions sans the ones with ridiculous ult cooldowns)? If zhonyas was up everytime before your lane opponent got their ult, champions like Zed (I feel dirty for defending him, please forgive me) would have a really hard time. It wouldn't be Fizz levels of safety, but defensive ult cooldowns from what I've seen typically are larger than offensive ones.

masc dom top3 votes

try Fizz Kassadin Katarina Akali Leblanc Rengar Riven Talon Yasuo Zed

Unward495 votes

[{quoted}](name=Señor Funky,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nLvBEjwX,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-01-03T11:46:19.978+0000)

try Fizz Kassadin Katarina Akali Leblanc Rengar Riven Talon Yasuo Zed

Yup, played against them all. The early game is hard, I won't pretend it isn't, but once I get just 2 items, they're screwed.

You also have to consider that none of those champs do anything for their team except bring damage. Lux brings a whole varied battery of pain AND utility.

masc dom top1 votes

{quoted}

Yup, played against them all. The early game is hard, I won't pretend it isn't, but once I get just 2 items, they're screwed.

You also have to consider that none of those champs do anything for their team except bring damage. Lux brings a whole varied battery of pain AND utility.

even at fullbuild its hella easy to avoid her skillhots with high mobility champs or survive with item 3140 item 3102 item 3156 item 3157 she might be strong but she has clear weakness. every mage has lots of damage and some kind of utility once they get their items. look at Azir Anivia Lissandra TwistedFate Orianna Veigar Viktor Xerath Zyra

The Deckowner2 votes

that is kinda all they need to do, one shot ur carry and destroy u.

also 2 item zed/yasuo/anyone with a dash or blink can rekt lux .

Aezanthya3 votes

Lol.

Zhonya. Bye bye the "100-0 combo".

MR.

Hard engage.

Learn to dodge.

????

Unward495 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mega Minun,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nLvBEjwX,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-01-03T11:49:35.990+0000)

Lol.

Zhonya. Bye bye the "100-0 combo".

MR.

Hard engage.

Learn to dodge.

????

You don't seem to understand what I'm saying. I'm saying she does too many things, not that any one of them is unstoppably overpowered. Of course you can zonyas her combo, just like you can to the Zed ulti, but Zed, when he loses the ability to 1 shot someone has nothing. Lux has very VERY safe wave clear, infinity lasers and the ability to shield her whole team for shit loads. She does it all and she does it all from a very safe distance.

Stiv12342 votes

LOL. Now youre just talking shit bro. Lux cant even clear the caster minions with her E until she gets 300 AP and Ludens. Her Ult doesnt do shit if she doesnt snare you beforehand, and the chance for your team being lined up for a 5man shield is about as high as for a Talon support mirrorlane.

The Deckowner4 votes

in my opinion she has one of the worst waveclear for mages, even god damn migana can oneshot a wave of caster minions with one w, lux need to auto and proc her passiver after her e to kill them

Spoofghoul3 votes

i hate her wonkey hitboxes i get ultes snared and damaged by shot thrown into the opposite direction of where im at it breaks all logic

Ionian2 votes

Got mastery 5 Lux and play her randomly, yes she is very strong but at least she needs to hit a skillshot to 100-0 someone unlike 99% of the meta mids right now who are literally point and click.

Akali is SO HOT2 votes

G&B circlejerked to hard for Lux buffs so they'll never admit that she's broken as fuck right now

Critmaster Garen1 votes

frost queens is going to get nerfed next patch.

Unward492 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nLvBEjwX,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-01-03T11:50:19.572+0000)

frost queens is going to get nerfed next patch.

That might do it. Rushing frost queens is a huge part of I think what is making her strong.

Zero Skill Tank1 votes

Yes, combination of early item 3092 rush for high utility, with new item 3041 to make up for FQC's lacks in AP is pretty darn strong. Even a good Fizz will have trouble getting those stacks down.

Slamurai Jack1 votes

She's not an assassin, so people don't care.

The Deckowner1 votes

its not really lux's problem, its frostqueen being such a broken item.

Dominick Destine1 votes

Lux is fine.

COVERT OPS DEPLOYED.

Badgeridoo1 votes

Lux is actually JUST now in a position where she's strong. Just because you never played her/played against her because she was super mana hungry and got shoved out of lane by basically anyone doesn't mean she's suddenly HELL OF OP because she's finally strong. Slow your roll.

MysTiiC Aero1 votes

lux is absolute cancer, would really go against Teemo than Lux

Astôlfo1 votes

I wish she couldn't instantly double tap E. It makes dodging it during laning goddamn impossible if you want to CS at all. Also a fix on her fucking ult hitbox would be great.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

She cant.

She can tap E as soon as it reaches its destination but she can't detonate it early while it is still moving.

Also she maxes it first and it is a serious mana drain.

Astôlfo2 votes

In laning phase, the travel time is negligible because of how absurdly large the E itself is. And she doesn't need to spam it when one hit + auto is a TLD proc.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

But guess what? She gets close enough to auto you can retaliate, as she has no stuns to stop you.

I have beaten many Luxes as Brand, especially when they try to farm with E, go oom, then I can just walk up and full combo her paper mache body.

Astôlfo1 votes

If you're ranged, you can retaliate. Sure. So… what about the melees?

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

And what melees go mid besides assassins?

Which Lux is deathly afraid of? Becuase if she misses a Q or wanders off alone or exists around an assassin they will jump on her and murder her.

Also you replied quickly lol.

Astôlfo1 votes

Why would she not just save said Q until point-blank? And double-targeting is very generous for landing it.

And Ekko, Diana, Kass, Cho, GP, Galio, Morde, and Yas.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Becuase even of she does she is still in range of their punishment.

Not to mention all of the champs you mentioned can kill her if she gets too close, so procing her passive isn't feasible.

JeppeDaMaster1 votes

kys but da command skin is bs

WitchQueen Annie1 votes

She's broken in low elo because no one knows how to dodge snare so she gets tons of free damage.

Hard to balance this because she markedly suffers higher up.

Frightning1 votes

Lux lives and dies by the range game, if you avoid her snare, she is pretty helpless against a competent assassin diving her in a teamfight. Also, quite a few other mages have better damage and CDs than she does. I'm not saying she isn't good (she is) but I wouldn't call her current state OP.

Tom01 votes

Riot still keeps buffing Lux for no reason whatsoever. Her base damages and scalings are so insane and doesn't have much mana issues. Lets not forgot that she's one of the easiest midland mages. Also, her high range and base damage, low mana costs and cool downs make her viable as a support champion for some reason its pretty absurd.

xhydn1 votes

lux is my nightmare. not even pantheon ignite is as oppressive as lux barrier. she doesnt just burst you and you die its just so annoying to die by her. i get assassinated by fizz talon zed, and its all ok. but lux is so fvckin annoying for me. i started banning her every single game for 6 months.

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