Lee Sin Ratios

SkyblazeHydraX3··3 votes·560 views

So to say one thing; I don't have a problem with Lee Sin's overall kit. Lee Sin is a highly technical Diver who starts off as an early game damage threat before transitioning into a tank focused on disruption and the positioning of both himself and his enemies.

With that in mind, could Lee Sin's ratios or base damages please see some sort of change to better emphasize this fact? Currently not a single one of Lee Sin's ratios goes under 80%. And if we're talking AD ratios, the lowest is either hit of Lee Sin's Q at 90%. You read that right; not total from both hits, each individual strike does 90% of Lee Sin's bonus AD as damage, for a total of 180%. Lee Sin's Tempest does 100% of his bonus AD as magic damage. And I'm sure many of us are aware of Lee Sin's ult having a 200% bonus AD ratio. Does Lee Sin really need any of this?

I'm not looking for Lee Sin to get nerfs. I'm just asking his ratios and base damages get adjusted to make full AD Lee Sin, an admittedly niche build path that can result in a 100-0 faster than some assassins (which might I remind you are getting their burst windows extended for better opportunities for reacting) so long as you can land your Q, way less viable. Seriously; nuke them with your ultimate and take the remaining chunk out with your Q, or nuke with Q and then take out the remaining chunk with your E. Either way landing after that Q it's a death sentence that can't be avoided.

TLDR; Could Riot please give Lee Sin damages and ratios befitting his role, not ones better than some intended assassins? And keep it power-neutral?

15 Comments

dominusx3 votes

NO. he is already hard to pull of and fun as a full ad caster dont ruin another fun champion. like seriously

SkyblazeHydraX31 votes

All Full AD Lee Sin needs to do in order to net a kill is use his ult + Q combo, or catch enemies unaware with his Q and then use his E. The only thing resembling counterplay is the fact Lee has to land his Q, and in the former combo that's entirely based on the Lee Sin player.

There's fun, and there's uninteractive. A lot of people certainly find Akali fun, but do you find it fun being chased down and killed with very little say in the matter?

dominusx1 votes

i have another question for you. do you find it fun when one retard that went 0-2 in lane plays Kennen Zyra Brand Galio Orianna etc etc and comes out with a lil bit of farm and nukes an entire team ? full ad lee needs to be fed to do so and i dont think a JUNGLE lee will have enough gold income to complete a warrior yommus and tiamat in the early game unless he is fed as fuck. and if he is fed as fuck you deserve to get anhilated.

Meep Man1 votes

How much counter play do you want? You can ward to see him coming, dodge his Q to entirely shut down his combo, and even then you can Flash after he uses his Q to "Drag" the Lee Sin with you into a potentially bad situation.

Unlucky471 votes

You know what was really fun? Old/new kogmaw. Look, champions that are extremely strong are going to be fun to play, but them being fun doesnt make them healthy. In lee sins case, he is extremely unbalanced.

dominusx1 votes

Annie this is extremenly unbalanced not lee

Unlucky471 votes

look, I'm not going to argue with someone who also thinks graves is balanced. I hate annie too but she can at least be killed. Lee is a tank that can burst people as fast as assassins. Graves is an adc that is played jungle and presses e to gain free tank stats. Saying that annie is more unbalanced than lee or graves is ridiculous

dominusx1 votes

you can dodge graves combo which is half his dmg and Lee Q lemme know how you can ddoge anything annie throws without having to flash everysingle time. peace

DunkinNoobs2 votes

And despite those massive ratios, his burst is still meh unless you build tons and tons of AD.

SkyblazeHydraX31 votes

That's exactly where my problem is. I don't have any issues with run of the mill Lee Sin. It's when Lee Sin builds Youmuu's and Hydra and Maw on top of Warriors and 100-0s you like a Talon, that I have the problem.

DunkinNoobs1 votes

I fail to see why he shouldn't be able to do that with that much damage. That Lee is either insanely fed and thus can afford to build full damage or is so much better than your team that he can actually pull off AD Lee Sin. Either one sounds like a well deserved loss for your team.

Slythion1 votes

Anyone with a gap close and going full ad should be able to assassinate a squishy, not sure why you consider Lee an exception

Meep Man1 votes

What's the issue here? He is a crap ton less tanky and basically plays identical to your run of the mill Assassin. Lee Sin, despite being anoying still for a lot, is one of the few champions that actually trade off when they build tank instead of damage or build damage instead of tank.

Irish Roast1 votes

Can we just be realistic here. He is the most popular jungler because he gets results. He is overtuned and everybody but lee sin mains will admit to that.

SkyblazeHydraX31 votes

Honestly? After calming down I realized something.

Lee Sin is considered a Diver, just like the likes of Vi, Diana, Wukong, Xin Zhao, and Aatrox. Riot has repeatedly mentioned that the Diver class is one they intend to update in the future, much like he Juggernaut, Marksman, and Assassin class updates. And all of these updates have been about refocusing and rebalancing the champions in that class to make them healthier and more distinct from one another.

Given his ridiculous amount of versatility and the sheer amount of play he always sees in competitive games, Worlds being a big time example here, I wouldn't be surprised if Riot decided to make Lee Sin part of the Diver update so they could cut down some of his ridiculous flexibility (to the point of crowding out many other junglers) and refocus his strengths. How and in what direction they'd take him, I don't know. But I honestly hope they do something with him at this point.

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