Daily Reminder People Can Hold You Hostage in Champ Select

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It's 2017 and we still have no way to report someone for ruining our game before it even starts. The only solution they really give us is to dodge, but that doesn't solve anything. They still get away with being a child and ruining the game for at least 4 other players.

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Pierce The Veal4 votes

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It's 2017 and we still have no way to report someone for ruining our game before it even starts. The only solution they really give us is to dodge, but that doesn't solve anything. They still get away with being a child and ruining the game for at least 4 other players.

I pick a non meta midlane champion as my pick intent (Draven, who's definitely playable mid), and my own team bans it and the guy who did it starts talking shit to me. Fun times.

SnakDatSmilesBak1 votes

Happens a lot if you play off meta. Idk about you but it makes me want to really troll lol

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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Happens a lot if you play off meta. Idk about you but it makes me want to really troll lol

It is tempting perhaps. But I'd rather not lose LP over that.

big boi edri1 votes

I get that sometimes when I take Wu mid. Not sure why, he works great into a lot of mid laners.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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I get that sometimes when I take Wu mid. Not sure why, he works great into a lot of mid laners.

He's basically an ad assassin with innate tankyness. I liked Nocturne mid when he wasn't so lackluster.

Votable Jester4 votes

https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-06-2016/MntHMo.gif

(I agree with you, but it being the current year is irrelevant. Maybe say the game has been out for so many years?)

Avarist3 votes

I'd love a button to quickly report somebody for abuse in champion select, it would absolutely make this game so much better.

There is nothing worse than when somebody flames like crazy and throws threats out in champ select, then get ingame... "Good luck team I love you all, teehee <3 c:"

sheldonbunny5 votes

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I'd love a button to quickly report somebody for abuse in champion select, it would absolutely make this game so much better.

There is nothing worse than when somebody flames like crazy and throws threats out in champ select, then get ingame... "Good luck team I love you all, teehee <3 c:"

That's where taking screen caps in champ select and attaching it to the report at the end comes in handy.

It Hertz When IP3 votes

Except I shouldn't have to. Riot should be tracking champ select chat like they track in-game chat.

sheldonbunny3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Darien Juranas,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nKXGUlbc,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-07-09T21:41:34.863+0000)

Except I shouldn't have to. Riot should be tracking champ select chat like they track in-game chat.

I do agree with that, but in the meantime, it's the tools we have available. I'd rather be proactive.

TheLazyOne2 votes

Rito can read champ select chat, so the guy acting nice afterwards doesn't achieve anything.

Tobias Brackner1 votes

iirc you can describe why you are reporting them.

"Dick in pre-game lobby."

HalcyonDweller2 votes

That doesn't help if somebody else dodges.

More often than not I'm one to dig my heels in and stick it out through the game so that I can report the toddler... but others don't usually feel the same. I've often lost the opportunity to report these hostage-holding players because one of my teammates didn't want to deal with them for the duration of the match.

Tobias Brackner1 votes

Then that's the problem of other players allowing these trolls to go unreported.

HalcyonDweller3 votes

There's nothing Riot can do about them. It would be wrong to punish players for avoiding a troll.

All that Riot can justifiably do about the situation is to improve the systems or make it easier to track player behavior in champion select even when dodges occur. And to better enforce against hostage takers in those situations.

Tobias Brackner1 votes

I see what you mean. There isn't even a way to look up the player to report them. We should at least have something like that.

HalcyonDweller2 votes

Agreed! The only means of dealing with these players is to screenshot things and submit support tickets, which is very impractical for the player and Riot has said numerous times that they "look into these tickets, but cannot always act on them"

Another option, although maybe impractical, would be for Riot to store an event and chat log for every champion select that is dodged, and apply machine learning to try to discern different kinds of negative patterns that lead to players dodging.

But I don't know if this is more or less practical than just taking reports from players after champion select ends or gets dodged.

RavenMagus2 votes

Daily reminder? I didn't get this reminder yesterday, though!

TwitchInMyPants2 votes

I guess part of it is they don't want premades of 4 false reporting, even though they have report filters for people that false report anyway. Honestly I don't understand why a game -has to start- for the report to be valid. Its totally possible to ruin games from champ select and the best you can do is take a screencap, send it to Riot support, and most likely it'll be swept under the rug. Even if players are punished its easy enough to get on an alt account to dodge it, I don't get why they don't take infractions like this as seriously as they take any other form of griefing/trolling.

Makior721 votes

here, have an upvote.

AtlasMinor1 votes

Whats the real complaint here Hostage?

Wouldn't consider the idea after player sees Normal Draft / Ranked play. You get 15sec to lock champ idea/ another 15seconds to Ban / after that another 30sec to chose Lane Hero.

Everyone is entitled to the set amount time allotted for Draft / Ranked Picks. that is fair time and rule and not 1 second should be wasted considering the pick / bans that happen.

If this is some CoOp Rant or (level 11) OMG I'm a smurf that wont purchase more than 3 Champions this is my Blind account GG teeheehe Blind hero select complaint then it should be down voted to the bottom of the sea.

commit an hero2 votes

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Whats the real complaint here Hostage?

Wouldn't consider the idea after player sees Normal Draft / Ranked play. You get 15sec to lock champ idea/ another 15seconds to Ban / after that another 30sec to chose Lane Hero.

Everyone is entitled to the set amount time allotted for Draft / Ranked Picks. that is fair time and rule and not 1 second should be wasted considering the pick / bans that happen.

If this is some CoOp Rant or (level 11) OMG I'm a smurf that wont purchase more than 3 Champions this is my Blind account GG teeheehe Blind hero select complaint then it should be down voted to the bottom of the sea.

By hostage I mean they have no intention of winning the game. I can either dodge and lose 3lp or lose the game and lose even more LP. I don't win here in anyway. While they get off scott free.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

yeah i know this feeling... happen in games too. When other don't want' press the f*cking yes despite the lose be obvious.

But this in champ select is even worst... mainly when this happen during promo

ChaosThief1 votes

You can file a report directly on the support website, from what I've heard.

An in-client way of doing this would be nice though.

LoLN0081 votes

i just dodge, loose less lp that way

dark100dark1001 votes

Even better: there is no lp loss in promotion! (sarcasm)

Inting Pillow1 votes

Daily reminder Riot doesn't care

HalcyonDweller2 votes

Sure they do, they've said on multiple occasions they are working on a solution to this problem.

What, are you one of those people who trolls and holds your teammates hostage when you don't get what you want?

Inting Pillow1 votes

No Riot doesn't care. And when I end up in a promo game with someone going Raka jungle I'd love the complain but Riot will say "We're working on a solution" and then do nothing

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Seeing as Riot Meddler specifically stated that they care about hostage holding champion select, I'd say that they actually do.

"Working on a solution" is how the world works. Large systems take time to get into motion. Bureaucracies are slow to change, and companies with limited resources cannot drop everything to try to fix a single problem in one attempt.

Take a second to imagine the amount of support tickets they receive, I'll give you a hint: it's over 100 thousand in less than an hour. And that's not even at peak times. There's probably a massive number of those that are reports of trolls and toxic players. Regardless of the %, even a small amount is still going to be a large amount throughout the course of an entire day. They cannot just stop and respond in-depth to every player who reaches out to them, they've even said they tried that before and it was impossible to maintain.

tldr; Give them time, things aren't magically fixed overnight. And it's more practical for them to take their time coming up with the right solution rather than run around putting out fires so much that they can't even work on anything else as well.

AlienPrimate1 votes

An idea I had is to add the ability to report someone in champ select. 2 or more people have to report them. When this happens, the lobby is canceled just like a dodge and no one gets punished immediately. The case is reviewed, yes, reviewed and not automated to determine the validity of the report. Someone is punished every single time. The person who was reported is punished if they are found guilty and the people who reported are punished if they are found innocent. The second part is to prevent false reports just from seeing people's match history or an off meta pick. The standard punishment would be 20 minute low priority queue.

Quepha1 votes

The standard player report classifications (negative attitude, int'ing, hate speech, etc.) have been added to the support ticket page on the website. You can submit all the information you have through that channel and Riot should see it.

Gelmous1 votes

i had someone the second he got in champ select he hoped all of us would die in a car accident, someone spoke to him so he wished his family would also die in a car accident so this other guy was like ill ruin this game for you since you're toxic, luckily someone dodged.

SanKakU1 votes

Lately it mostly seems to happen when they get auto-selected for fill. Since we don't know for sure if someone's been auto-selected for fill or not, it's kind of hard to claim if people are just trolling or if they actually are stuck doing something they are potentially unaccustomed to.

Fawksea1 votes

i kinda did a post about this the other day but i guess yours is better :v but yea still wish we could report ppl https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ai4Qe9Ha-so-can-we-have-a-report-system-in-champ-select-yet? if interested??

King of Demons1 votes

The amont of trolls in champ select is tiny and most of them don't pull through with it once ingame.

If they do, report them at the end of the game and include a message in the report box, as you always should. Riot monitors pre and post game chat if you report them. Otherwise you can simply dodge and report them to the support directly. They won't be able to tell you if or how somebody got punished though.

Randomonium1 votes

I haven't had someone who has been ballsy enough to troll after I say "ok, have fun with your ban I've taken screenshots of the chat and I'm submitting a support ticket after this game."

That said, we do need a way to report people and/or be allowed to dodge when faced with trolling with reduced/no punishment.

Divine Hymn1 votes

"I don't want to play this game." Picks Ashe Jungle

Cool, thanks for making me dodge.

hhaavviikk1 votes

holding hostage implies you can't escape, meanwhile all it takes is 2 clicks to close the LoL client

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