Apparently Lee Sin is in meta. Says the casters.

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-The allies Lee's target get hit into get knocked up.

I know..

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-Azir's wall is considered a knockup for the sake of Yasuo ult.

Goddamn, do you even know the basics? Yasuo's Ult isn't triggered by knock-ups, it's triggered by airborne. Knocked-up champions are considered airborne, knock-backed champions aswell. But knock-back still isn't a knock-up. Learn the basics.

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I- guess you haven't seen Azir ult a target into a wall. It bounces them repeatedly doing damage each time and making them -unable to act. It's similar to Anivia's wall except infinite ricochet.

I've seen it. I never said that Azir isn't able to do that, lol. I said Lee isn't able to do that - to prove that there are more things that Lee/Azir can't do than things they can do.

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-Lee and Azir both have shields, that's a defensive steroid.

An ability that increases one or more of a champion's base stats. Shield's do not increase the HP of a champion - that's why % HP abilities do not deal more damage to shielded champions. Here is the definition of steroid. Again, learn the basics.

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-Azir's wall is considered terrain, he creates terrain.

Which I never denied. I said that Lee'Sin isn't able to create terrain (again, to show how there's more they can't do than what they can do).

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-Lee provides true vision with Q and E on targets he hits. -Lee gives the target he dashes to a shield. -Have you seen Lee's skill numbers?

You got confused when reading my post, lol. Read it again. I never said Lee isn't able to do these things.

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Are you trying to refute me just for the sake of? Or do you seriously lack so much game knowledge and are not aware of what the characters actually have and can do? Also good job adding heal to Azir when quoting me. Can't even quote properly.

Stop shittalking when you a: can't even understand my main point - that there are more things either Lee and Azir can't do than things they can do. b: don't even know the basics like differentiating knock-ups, knock-backs and airborne.

I'm not surprised that you think that I am stupid - after all you don't even know your stuff. Please read the LoL wiki before accusing me of being dumb, thx.

Just a few base stats at level 18.

Champ A: armour 87, MR 53, HP 2016, shield maxed 200 HP + ap Champ B: armour 90, MR 53, HP 2038, 85 +17% max HP Champ C: armour 93, MR 53, HP 2016, 220 HP + ap Champ D: armour 86, MR 53, HP 2096, none

So not counting utility (mobility, stuns, ect..) or damage, only 1 of those looks really tanky. Although 3 of them are "tanks" by Riot's labels. Being "tanky" is very dependent on items over kit. I'm not saying Lee Sin IS a tank. I'm saying he can be a tank. (He is one of those 4 champs)

You can also be tanky without being a tank, btw.

CC and tankiness makes for a tank, damage and tankiness makes for a bruiser/juggernaut. Defensive steroids help, but they are not always a requirement to be a tank (

Lee Sin is a bruiser, because of his E's slow and his main knockup being tied to his ultimate, giving him decent but not tank levels of cc. His safeguard has little to do with that classification.

But, before you misquote me, tankiness and good cc makes a tank a tank. CC without the tankiness is typically a support or utility mage (Nami and Orianna are good examples), and tankiness without enough cc is merely a bruiser/juggernaut (Garen is borderline, but Vi and Darius are better examples).