I'm gonna be perma banning zoe.

Sinister Anubis·Mar 12, 2018·3 votes·469 views

Her kit is toxic af. 1 sleep 1 q donezoe. Thats just not even fair to adcs not even gonna deal with that shit. And riot thinks it s a good idea to buff her one shot capability. Just nope nope and nope

17 Comments

Final Spark LuxMar 12, 20186 votes

I always ban Zoe...not because she's OP though. I just do it to spite her because she doesn't like me. I didn't even do anything to her. She thinks me and Ez are a couple or something, but we've never even talked. shakes head

AhristocatsMar 12, 20184 votes

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KythersMar 12, 20183 votes

2 patches late buddy

Sinister AnubisMar 12, 20182 votes

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2 patches late buddy

2 patches to late she was legit just buffed this last patch 8.5 Like everything in her kit was buffed this last patch. Increased attack range increased Q damage increased ap ratio on Q W lock on range increased increased dmg on E increased ap raiot on E

Base Stats ATTACK RANGE 525 ⇒ 550 Q - Paddle Star DAMAGE 45/60/75/90/105 ⇒ 50/75/100/125/150 NEWMORE DAMAGE Paddle Star's base damage is now increased by 7/8/10/12/14/16/18/20/22/24/26/29/32/35/38/42/46/50 (at levels 1-18) RATIO 0.2 ability power ⇒ 0.6 ability power REMOVEDFEWER SPARKLES No longer deals Passive - More Sparkles! damage to the first target hit EXPLOSION DAMAGE 100% ⇒ 80% W - Spell Thief ENEMY LOCK-ON RANGE 525 ⇒ 550 (matching the buff to Zoe's attack range) DAMAGE 70/115/160/205/250 ⇒ 75/120/165/210/255 RATIO 0.6 ability power ⇒ 0.75 ability power [zombie-brand-facepalm]

LuminevMar 12, 20181 votes

So where are her e buffs? Oh I know they don't exist. You listed the official buffs after making a false claim like no one would notice. And she may be annoying but she's far from strong. Her damage takes much longer to reach one shot potential. And her q damage was buff-nerfed "REMOVED FEWER SPARKLES No longer deals Passive - More Sparkles! damage to the first target hit" That means her Q lost it's early damage. Just punish her early on and get her behind and she won't be able to do much till mid or late game.

Sinister AnubisMar 13, 20181 votes

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So where are her e buffs? Oh I know they don't exist. You listed the official buffs after making a false claim like no one would notice. And she may be annoying but she's far from strong. Her damage takes much longer to reach one shot potential. And her q damage was buff-nerfed "REMOVED FEWER SPARKLES No longer deals Passive - More Sparkles! damage to the first target hit" That means her Q lost it's early damage. Just punish her early on and get her behind and she won't be able to do much till mid or late game.

If she is trash why do you keep playing her? Are you trying to int? Its clear you wouldn't be playing her if you thought she was trash or else you are just trolling your argument is completely invalid. When she can one shot people with a Q thats problematic. They nerf nidalee for the same exact reasons. One shotting anyone with zero counter play is not balanced idc what you say.

LuminevMar 13, 20181 votes

She can't one shot with q anymore until late game? It's like you haven't played the current Zoe! AND WHEN DID I SAY SHE WAS BAD? She doesn't have to be overpowered to be viable. Even if she isn't viable, why am I automatically trolling if I use her? Before you say something like "See she can oneshot with her Q some time in the game" she now actually has to land her e for it to work and every other viable mage can do the same thing at that point in the game.

Sinister AnubisMar 13, 20181 votes

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She can't one shot with q anymore until late game? It's like you haven't played the current Zoe! AND WHEN DID I SAY SHE WAS BAD? She doesn't have to be overpowered to be viable. Even if she isn't viable, why am I automatically trolling if I use her? Before you say something like "See she can oneshot with her Q some time in the game" she now actually has to land her e for it to work and every other viable mage can do the same thing at that point in the game.

The nerf nidalee, lux, annie, for all the same thing. One shotting anyone in league is not fair and inherently toxic. If you think she is balanced and there is nothing wrong with her, then thank god you're not on the balance team. I'm still gonna ban zoe until riot reworks her or fix's her numbers.

LuminevMar 13, 20181 votes

But all of the champions you just listed (Nidalee, Lux and Annie) are in the same state as Zoe? I've played all of them and Lux and Annie pretty much can oneshot targets the same way Zoe does once they get their cc off. Nidalee is a different beast due her Cougar form. Just because Zoe has a different rotation doesn't make her broken.

Sinister AnubisMar 13, 20181 votes

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But all of the champions you just listed (Nidalee, Lux and Annie) are in the same state as Zoe? I've played all of them and Lux and Annie pretty much can oneshot targets the same way Zoe does once they get their cc off. Nidalee is a different beast due her Cougar form. Just because Zoe has a different rotation doesn't make her broken.

Yes ;ux and annie can to get close to to their damage zoe can 1 shot from a mile away and have no risk involved......

LuminevMar 13, 20181 votes

Alright I'm convinced you have never even played Zoe.

First of all she has no escape, since her e'd cd reset was removed she has one of the highest cd cc's among mages. So unless she stole your flash she has no way of escaping. BUT OH SHE CAN ONE SHOT FROM A MILE AWAY? This is the most generic and misleading point against Zoe I've seen. Her Q has a shorter range than Lux Q, however the range extends when she moves. So the range adjusts depending on where she is, meaning it can be reduced as well. To get a snipe of Zoe has to lock herself in place with her ult. HOW IS THAT NOT RISKY? She can't move for two seconds! Her e's range is a joke unless it's through a wall, and even then they nerfed that.

FUN FACT: Current Zoe actually can't one shot people without landing a sleep. She can't even one shot with e, q combo anymore unless she's extremely fed. She has to weave in autos 80% of the time.

Sinister AnubisMar 13, 20181 votes

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Alright I'm convinced you have never even played Zoe.

First of all she has no escape, since her e'd cd reset was removed she has one of the highest cd cc's among mages. So unless she stole your flash she has no way of escaping. BUT OH SHE CAN ONE SHOT FROM A MILE AWAY? This is the most generic and misleading point against Zoe I've seen. Her Q has a shorter range than Lux Q, however the range extends when she moves. So the range adjusts depending on where she is, meaning it can be reduced as well. To get a snipe of Zoe has to lock herself in place with her ult. HOW IS THAT NOT RISKY? She can't move for two seconds! Her e's range is a joke unless it's through a wall, and even then they nerfed that.

FUN FACT: Current Zoe actually can't one shot people without landing a sleep. She can't even one shot with e, q combo anymore unless she's extremely fed. She has to weave in autos 80% of the time.

You main zoe so your argument is invalid. Nothing you can tell me is relevant. no one in hell should you be able to one shot anyone with 1 ability. Not balanced not even close. So ya she is being perma banned from me. Thats the point of my post and i can perma ban her if i so choose to.

LuminevMar 14, 20181 votes

But it's not one ability, in her current state to 100 - 0 the average mid laner would be the following combo: E, Q, R, Q, AA (Summoner if they have decent amount of MR). And how does being a Zoe invalidate my point? Wouldn't it make it stronger since I have 10 times more experience then you have?

NyloafMar 12, 20183 votes

that zoe pun was 10/10

Timethief49Mar 12, 20182 votes

Cool

P4ppinoMar 12, 20182 votes

Well it's up to you what you ban. I'm just gonna say that there are much more dangerous champs you can ban.

Sinister AnubisMar 12, 20182 votes

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Well it's up to you what you ban. I'm just gonna say that there are much more dangerous champs you can ban.

Damn right it is. She was cancer before and now shes cancer again they should of left her nerfed in the ground.