i have a brief discussion

GodJormungandr·May 14, 2017·4 votes·378 views

Does 3x infernal dragons +Elder dragon gurantee a win ?

I've seen them plenty of times that the buff of the damage gets to 48% which is almost half, 3 infernals = 24% x2 because of Elder Dragon that's 48% yes it is almost half so the team who gets that buff pretty much win the game, am i wrong? it looks like 3x infernals + Elder dragon buff is a game changing 100%

11 Comments

DuskDaUmbreonMay 14, 20172 votes

It's strong, and pretty much a giant "screw you" to the enemy team, but it's not an instant win. It amplifies AD and AP. If your team is set up in a way that it doesn't favor that (multiple champions that buy neither stat), it's going to actually be pretty weak.

And it doesn't double it, it adds 50%. That means 36% more AD and AP.

Brutalitops01May 14, 20171 votes

...You mean Elder Dragon, not Baron?

Also, I don't think Elder doubles the effects. It adds 50% of the effects in, which turns 24% into 36%, not 48%.

Baron doesn't have any affect on the dragon buffs you have and barely increases combat with champions stats at all. It increases AD, AP, and health, though not by a ton, and it gives the pushing power of buffing nearby minions.

GodJormungandrMay 14, 20171 votes

Thanks for letting me know i had a mistake, i just fixed it now, and yes i meant to say 3x infernals + elder. :) and actually i still dunno because elder says doubles the effects and it pretty much looks like 50% i'll ask more people to make sure

Brutalitops01May 14, 20171 votes

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Thanks for letting me know i had a mistake, i just fixed it now, and yes i meant to say 3x infernals + elder. :) and actually i still dunno because elder says doubles the effects and it pretty much looks like 50% i'll ask more people to make sure

It is a 50% increase to the existing buffs. I'm pretty much 100% positive on that, being a jungle main.

Variks the LoyalMay 14, 20171 votes

It's strong, but it's not a guaranteed win. There's always other advantages, possibilities for outplays, people getting arrogantly caught out of position, etc.

Remember, while 3 Infernals is a 24% increase, that means it's only 24 AD or AP for every 100 AD or AP they already have.

With 3 drakes, an Infinity Edge gives 86 AD instead of 70. Not game breaking. An advantage for sure, but not game breaking.

Baron also does not double your AD or AP. At level 18, it grants a flat 40 of each. Again, an advantage, but not game breaking.

GodJormungandrMay 14, 20171 votes

ah i understand. I had a game where me and my allies went 4/35 {Pretty much we got dominated by the enemy team} We got a shaco jungler who sacrificed even more feeding just to steal the infernal dragons, the game gave 3 infernals anyway so it was a weird luck, and while we were protecting the nexus and taking super minions off, he was successful at 3rd infernal dragon steal, we protected the inhibitors to not let the enemy team win , once the inhibitors got back enemies were roaming + farming and they were preparing for elder dragon When they fought elder dragon, our shaco secretly stole the 4th dragon of the game that actually gave us so much damage i dunno how we then waited for shaco to come back and when enemies 5v5ed us we won

The game was 4/35 no joke all of us were feeding and it was a rank game, we lost the game 99% but that 3x infernal + elder combo made us win 5 v5 then we pretty much kept pushing till the nexus since no more super minions because our inhibs got back at the time when shaco stole the elder

Variks the LoyalMay 14, 20171 votes

With Elder, 3 Infernals is a lot more powerful. It's 48% AD and AP, plus true damage burn.

Champion SkinMay 14, 20171 votes

Well yes 3 infernals + elder dragon is really powerful But it still isn't quite a guaranteed win because while it gives a lot of damage it doesn't give any protection so if anyone messes up they can still be just as easily picked off and killed

Pretty much how Baron can win you the game... but sometimes getting baron you also lose the game with everyone running off on their own and getting picked off or overconfidence and fighting a bad fight (Baron doesn't give that much in a fight)