Instead of nerfing meta, how about buffing non meta?

Summoner SpeII··1 votes·1,363 views

I can list champions that are not at the top of meta meta and usually are not played in pro scene unless it is a niche counter pick like poppy into irelia, bottom food chain, most of these champions have 0 games played in worlds 2019 or were only used to niche counterpick: Alistar Amumu Anivia AurelionSol Azir Brand Braum Chogath Corki Diana Fiddlesticks Fizz Gnar Graves Illaoi Irelia Ivern Janna Jayce Jhin Kalista Karma Karthus (lane karthus, not jungle karthus, jungle karthus is broken)Lissandra Lux Malzahar Maokai MasterYi Nasus Neeko Poppy Quinn Rammus Rengar Riven Shyvana Singed Sion Sivir Skarner Sona Sylas TahmKench Taliyah Taric Tristana TwistedFate Twitch Udyr Urgot Tryndamere Vi Trundle Volibear Warwick MonkeyKing Xerath Yorick YuumiZiggs Zilean Zyra Aatrox Hecarim Kassadin Kindred Nocturne SejuaniVelkoz Darius (how do u even play darius into fiora, lmao)XinZhao Zed BraumDrMundo

strong or recently buffed champions in these recent patches that don't need buffs or nerfs but aren't top of food chain meta either, which some being at the top until riot nerfed them after worlds like pantheon:

Shen Cassiopeia Garen Fiora Draven Jinx Annie Ashe Bard Caitlyn Camille Ekko Elise Evelynn Ezreal Galio Gangplank Gragas Heimerdinger JarvanIV Jax Katarina Kayle Kayn Kennen Khazix Yasuo Kled KogMaw Leblanc LeeSin Leona Lucian Lulu Malphite MissFortune Mordekaiser Morgana Nami Nautilus Nidalee Nunu Olaf Orianna Ornn Pantheon Rakan RekSai Renekton Rumble Shaco Soraka Swain Syndra Talon Teemo Thresh Varus Vayne Veigar Viktor XayahZac Zoe Akali Ahri Blitzcrank

Champ almost broken:Pyke champion i think is absolutely broken but not too sure: Senna

champions rito should fucking nerf at top of food chain: Qiyana Vladimir

please comment on any champions i miss, or if you believe a champion should be in a different category, with stats either showing that champion was never played in worlds 2019, or had high presence in worlds 2019, but remember the nerfs on patches we already had after worlds being an exception, such as the pantheon nerfs after worlds but he was broken in worlds.

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7thHeaven9 votes

We can buff non-meta by nerfing meta

LTK KoRo2 votes

Boards: whine about damage creep also boards: lets buff 50-60% of the champions

Cind3rkick1 votes

2 issues:

More buffs could end up spiralling out of control. Surely you have seen a thresh in urf one-shot a master Yi thats just from a 10% damage buff and the crit bonus everyone has. that 10% took thresh from being terrible to op.

Pro play is nothing like the game we play.

Qiyana is top of the food chain in pro. Well in normal league, she has a 40% winrate in jungle. and 46% winrate mid.

aside from completely changing her, how do you fix that?

oh also... I feel you should move these champs to the stronger tier: Jayce Tonnes of top laners at worlds and a few midlaners would be happy picking it for a flex TwistedFate is always in and out of meta, Nemesis is a massive user of this in a team where any lane can carry. TahmKench is what makes varus a viable pick, similar to gragas and yas. Yuumi is literally the only reason garen has a win in pro-play.

Move down: KogMaw Lulu this combo hasnt been relevent in a large competitive scene for a while now. Shaco I dont believe he was even played in competitive for ages Katarina Talon Swain same as above Annie Bard are simply no longer considered top picks this season DrMundo I dont believe he has ever been too successful in recent years

Summoner SpeII1 votes

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2 issues:

More buffs could end up spiralling out of control. Surely you have seen a thresh in urf one-shot a master Yi thats just from a 10% damage buff and the crit bonus everyone has. that 10% took thresh from being terrible to op.

Pro play is nothing like the game we play.

Qiyana is top of the food chain in pro. Well in normal league, she has a 40% winrate in jungle. and 46% winrate mid.

aside from completely changing her, how do you fix that?

oh also... I feel you should move these champs to the stronger tier: Jayce Tonnes of top laners at worlds and a few midlaners would be happy picking it for a flex TwistedFate is always in and out of meta, Nemesis is a massive user of this in a team where any lane can carry. TahmKench is what makes varus a viable pick, similar to gragas and yas. Yuumi is literally the only reason garen has a win in pro-play.

Move down: KogMaw Lulu this combo hasnt been relevent in a large competitive scene for a while now. Shaco I dont believe he was even played in competitive for ages Katarina Talon Swain same as above Annie Bard are simply no longer considered top picks this season DrMundo I dont believe he has ever been too successful in recent years

shaco, kogmaw, lulu, kat have all received recent buffs, with lulu and kogmaw being buffed AFTER worlds swain support is becoming a popular pick bard and annie have recent buffs tahm is just too nerfed to be good i could move mundo to niche section, its prob my bias putting him in strong tier i feel like jayce is just outclassed by other top laners, but he does have presence in worlds and should be considered to move up talon is a nightmare to play against in mid lane, even in challenger elo, but he's not good at worlds because mid lane needs early pressure and he is melee so strictly speaking worlds he is weak but he is so strong in high elo atm face it, twisted fate dont do shit compared to someone of the same skill level playing qiyanna, shit aint even close, its only good if there is a massive skill gap of mid yuumi needs a pyke or garen to function, so she is in niche because she can be good if game allows, not consistently good

PhearBunny1 votes

as much as i want them to buff my Nocturne, they cant. His kit would oppress the large demographic of bad players if he was properly tuned.

Darkdemon6531 votes

The power level of champions compared to the rest of the game is already way too high. It doesn't take long for champions to start instantly eradicating minions and monsters. Towers are paper and they use feathers to attack. Dragon can be soloed as soon as it spawns. The threat from Baron is non-existent and the only reason doing Baron is ever a risk is because the team's frontline and backline get reversed and clumped together. The elder dragon is even weaker than Baron.

EVERY champion needs to be nerfed, though some certainly need larger nerfs.

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