I'm sick of seeing pyke, akali and aatrox in every single game

Summoner SpeII·Aug 12, 2019·35 votes·12,881 views

Riot, there is a massive champion select roster, and if I'm seeing pyke, akali, and aatrox every single game something must be wrong. Theese champions are just blatantly broken, I'm not asking for a hard nerf on any of them, just a small nerf to bring them in line with the rest of the champions you have to offer. Also I like how you are nerfing azir and corki next patch because they are so strong they are even abused in top lane, but you are missing alot of needed balance changes.

46 Comments

NY64Aug 12, 201927 votes

Sorry Riot can’t hear you over the sound of 600 gold being collected every time Pyke gets a kill.

WoonStruckAug 12, 201918 votes

Only 600?

Check all the sources of gold again.

ZleraAug 12, 20196 votes

Banning Phase

WoonStruckAug 12, 201923 votes

Yes, let me just use my one ban on all twenty five or so champions that deserve one atm.

That's before considering counterpicks.

ZleraAug 12, 20193 votes

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MagicFlyingLlamaAug 12, 20194 votes

Baby GhoulAug 12, 20195 votes

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Banning Phase

*Downvote me.

General Esdeath Aug 13, 20191 votes

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Banning Phase

Why didn't pro players just ban Galio?

Iron PhantomAug 12, 20194 votes

Akali and Pyke are the bane of my existence, horrible champions to fight.

The King DiamondAug 12, 20194 votes

Aatrox isn't broken. Just strong. His wr 48,5% wr in Plat+, 49% in Diamond, 48,8 in Master, 49% in GM, and got his "needed" 50% in Challenger. U see Aatrox every game because players likes play him and it's teamfights machine.

mark6028Aug 12, 20191 votes

I mean what else is there to pick?

Even the bad matchups aatrox can atleast hold his own.

Even when behind he can do something in the teamfight meta.

Try doing that with kled when the enemy picks fiora.

Or jax when you play against kennen or jayce.

GL with that.

LaceUpXXAug 12, 20191 votes

Winrate alone isn't a very good measurement statistic. He also has one of the lower games played by playerbase and higher playrate...meaning the people that play him are very inexperienced with him most of the time...thus lowering his win rate.

UndyneEXAug 12, 20194 votes

Actually... Akali already got nerfed, and if you can't beat them because they're "broken" you can try to fight them with a different champion.

IP MasquerenaAug 12, 20193 votes

I agree.

I find Akali as one of the easiest lanes to beat (won't deny, being an Akali "main" does help with that).

Then again, after seeing Jayce die to Akali 1st blood before minions even spawn when he was half health, she was 1 auto and dead, I can understand why some call her broken, like, dudes, stop spinning in circles and hit her.

mark6028Aug 12, 20191 votes

Akali even got hotfix buffed, what. Never touched after that again and is now giga broken tier considering her win and playrate.

aatroxSupertopAug 12, 20194 votes

you can legit screw over aatrox healing with grievous wounds.

Tin ObliteratesAug 12, 20191 votes

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you can legit screw over aatrox healing with grievous wounds.

Also slows seem to really fuck with him (or maybe just me), though can't deny that when he manages to land his shit and get onto you he's devastating.

Summoner SpeIIAug 12, 20197 votes

aatrox is so broken that by the time u recover from the horrible early game, if your team is losing you autolose, because his early game is blatantly broken. Not even kled can beat aatrox early game, even with his built in q healing counter, because aatrox can deny his e with a good timed q

The EcdysiastAug 13, 20194 votes

People like fun champions? Something MUST be wrong.

boricCentaur1Aug 12, 20193 votes

Ummm I hate to break this to you but only Aatrox is popular out of those 3. The most popular mid is yas and the most popular support is thresh.

Are you going to complain about thresh being the best support in the game for like a year nope, are you going to complain about Kai'Sa nope, are you going to complain about yas maybe.

Like stop holding champions to different standards just because YOU don't like them or think they're op.

ŚhunpoAug 12, 20192 votes

Pyke is hella popular right now. If you hardly see him I'd love to have your matchmaking cause he's a real piece of work to face and play as right now.

boricCentaur1Aug 12, 20191 votes

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Pyke is hella popular right now. If you hardly see him I'd love to have your matchmaking cause he's a real piece of work to face and play as right now.

Again he is still not the most popular thresh is. Your opinion is irrelevant.

touchmyrafAug 12, 20193 votes

mmmmmmmm keep whining nobody is listening... You can't just take out champions that people like LOL. You realize these champions aren't over-performing, right? https://u.gg/lol/champions/akali/build/ https://u.gg/lol/champions/aatrox/build https://u.gg/lol/champions/pyke/build

The circle jerk continues... What else don't you like? Yasuo? Zed? Nobody is listening...

FlashesAug 13, 20193 votes

Idk about you, but I hardly see Akali in any game nowadays because she's been nerfed so many times.

Aatrox is sometimes played.

Pyke is the real problem and is played every single time.

Tin ObliteratesAug 12, 20192 votes

Man, remember back when Aatrox was barely picked? Good times.

Fear the KaynAug 12, 20192 votes

I really just think Aatrox needs a mini rework with his kit. What if-

Q CHANGES - Damage reduced significantly, but instead grants a a very large amount of attack speed for the next 2 attacks for each Q sweetspot hit (1 attack for non-sweetspot), along with a large amount of life steal for those two attacks. If the 3rd Q hits in the sweet spot then the last 2 would gain the attack speed AND bonus damage similar to old Aatrox blood price but no lifesteal.

W CHANGES - Honestly I think its fine as it is.

E CHANGES - Again, I think this ability is pretty necessary with his kit and doesn't seem to be an issue.

R CHANGES - Remove attack damage increase and replace with attack speed/crit increase. The crit chance given by his ultimate can bypass the crit cap and allow for higher-than-normal crits similar to what item 3031 does. Maybe tone down the healing a little bit, and depending on how things go perhaps bring back the revive. Keep the reset.

Very quickly done, but these changes would partially revert Aatrox back to what he was before the rework, which was a rather squishy crit/attack speed focused champion instead of the juggernaut we currently have. It would solve a lot of the "one shot" issues Aatrox currently has and give him a more outplayable/counterable kit and make him closer to what he used to be. Thoughts?

[slayer-pantheon-rainbows] [slayer-pantheon-rainbows]

DiamondsideAug 12, 20192 votes

Ottrox**

BlueBilberryAug 12, 20191 votes

You can always ban one of them and hope that the others do likewise. But you have my sympathies.

IceEragonAug 12, 20191 votes

RIOT mind: Let's nerf supp utility, let's nerf the champs not used for lcs, let's buff champs to sell new skins.

Sir SaltarinAug 12, 20191 votes

But it was the Boards the ones that were more excited about Enchanters being nerfed last year ?

RussiaKittyAug 12, 20191 votes

want to beat akali? Learn :) She can shit on akali laning phase and make an akali passive af if you play lissandra right.

Summoner SpeIIAug 12, 20192 votes

lissandra is a tier 5 champion on op gg, sadly the meta does not favor her so she is not an option

ZeyphelAug 12, 20191 votes

I can understand your complaint about Pyke, even about Akali, but Aatrox?

He is not that strong, he is just fun to play because of his playstyle and his Q changes. He is extremely interactive, that is why people like him.

Summoner SpeIIAug 13, 20191 votes

a masters+ aatrox can make any off meta top go afk watching enemy minions die or kill the enemy top for going for cs. IMO its the most disgusting early game damage i've seen. there is a massive disparity in skill between masters+ aatrox and below masters aatrox

ZeyphelAug 13, 20191 votes

A Master player of any champion does that, not just Aatrox Masters. A Master will most likely dominate their rivals in lane unless they play against others Masters.

And if you are so mad about Aatrox then play Jax Kled Riven Fiora Renekton and there you go, Aatrox now has zero presence in the game.

Edit 1: And before you say that Kled doesn't beat Aatrox early game, learn to play Kled. I just watched 2 diamonds Aatrox vs Kled and Kled completely destroyed him early game, mid game, and late game because the player knew how to play kled and didn't just walk into Aatrox's face.

Edit 2:

Kled has a 55.98% WR against Aatrox Fiora has a 56.76% WR against Aatrox Renekton has a 55.57% WR against Aatrox Jax has a 56.14% WR against Aatrox Yasuo has a 57.43% WR against Aatrox Riven has a 58.90% WR against Aatrox Mordekaiser has a 59.10% WR against Aatrox .

There is no excuse for being unable to beat Aatrox with these champions. I know people sometimes want to put all the blame on the enemy champion to feel better but this is reality. Most people that know how to play these champions will destroy Aatrox.

Summoner SpeIIAug 13, 20191 votes

diamond is a horrible elo for looking at the skill cap of a champion, as i have hovered between masters and diamond myself many times, and I can feel a huge difference between the skill levels of aatroxs in masters and in diamond, and this comes from personal experience, because i could play garen into aatrox at diamond elo and i would outscale him and not get punished for early game but in masters when i play garen into aatrox i get completely destroyed having 20 cs at 10 minutes because if i walked up i would literally die, granted this was the patch where aatrox still had his revive but hes even more broken early game now which compensates for his lack of revive and even more pressure early game. Kled is dog shit into aatrox because a good aatrox can disable kled e with his q and any aatrox diamond and lower is not able to kill pressure correctly, and only a perfect aatrox can zone kled so hard early game that he has no chance to scale. Riven can win against aatrox late game but still gets outclassed early game, but shes getting nerfed and that won't be a thing anymore because that small nerf is enough to shift her out of broken tier. the reason u list winrates is because many autofills pick aatrox based of how popular and broken he is to stonewall the lane, similar to karma top players, and it lowers his winrate by a great value. Players who are not aatrox mains that are above masters elo cannot bring out the skill of the champion. Even crazy good top laners like adrian seria and broken blade have a negative winrate on aatrox, which shows that you have to actually BE GOOD at aatrox to have a good winrate on him and you can't just play him because you are mechanically skilled, and players who play aatrox just to learn him and not main him are the causes for his low winrate. the rest of the champions you list are just doing well because the aatrox does not know how to kill pressure in laning phase, and jax, fiora are all down to recieve buffs next patch because of their weak class in top lane compared to other meta picks atm and you listing them shows that you don't understand the balancing of this game. i don't know where you are getting your morde vs aatrox winrate from, because on op gg it shows that https://na.op.gg/champion/aatrox/statistics/top aatrox has a positive winrate against morde, and that makes sense because morde can't get 3 abilities off aatrox unless the aatrox is really bad at the game, because his q hard outclasses all of morde's kit and he can dodge morde e with his e.

ZeyphelAug 14, 20191 votes

Garen is good against Aatrox but you have to respect his level 1,2,and 3 because he is an early game champion and therefore he must be strong at that stage.

Kled has way more probabilities than getting Aatrox with his Q than Aatrox having such a perfect timing, be realistic. And Kled can also just dash Q Aatrox and that's it. It hits you, prepare to loose half health bar and you won't heal ANYTHING. That is what you call a counter. You just think that because you did bad against Aatrox then nobody will beat him.

Show me the source of those players having negative WinRate against Aatrox.

Neither Jax nor Fiora are weak currently, actually surprised you think this way.

Simply because if Morde ults Aatrox then Aatrox is dead because he can't run from him and Aatrox is really bad in close combat unless he has charged his Q3. That is why champions like Jax, Riven, Yasuo or Fiora who can easily reach have positive WinRates against him. And I didn't use Op.gg as a source as they are always unreliable. I even saw once Teemo with the highest WinRate top, like that is not possible. Since then I don't trust that site.

Summoner SpeIIAug 14, 20191 votes

aatrox is far from bad in close combat, his passive is disgusting in close combat, and yasuo top is just a meme imo so don't list that as a counter. Jax is not weak. but he can't carry at all late game when there are champions like pyke in this game, what chance does jax stand against a fed pyke killing his entire team? And if jax isn't good late game, then he has no point because he is alot weaker than aatrox early game. Fiora is only good in specific match ups, and is a horrible first pick top because of how many counterpicks exist against fiora, and aatrox can always e the fiora stun. A good aatrox will pressure kled to the point where he cannot play the game and i've played this match up before, and it favors his side heavily in early game when he wins coinflip, to the point where i don't have a chance. Sure. you can outscale aatrox as kled, but the time it takes to do that may have been the time needed to change the destiny of coinflip, and when your team is griefing and your playing against the most broken early game champion while getting camped it feels absolutely hopeless.

ZeyphelAug 15, 20191 votes

If you played Aatrox you would understand why Aatrox is bad in close Combat generally and only goes close for Q3. Aatrox is a Mid-range champion.

Although he is more inclinated to range than close combat his abilities force him to momentarily get close to the enemy to unlock its max potential which at the same time puts Aatrox at a disadvantage because his next 2 Qs won't do any damage in close combat and he will be extremely vulnerable.

This you would now if you even bother to understand his weaknesses but no "Champ is too strong, therefore is normal that I loose to him. Not my fault."

Yasuo top a Joke?? Put a good Yasuo top against a good Aatrox and see how easily he avoids everything Aatrox throws at him just by Eing everywhere while outradding Aatrox everytime. By mid game he would be stomping Aatrox and by Late Game he would be destroying your whole team. What a good Joke, right?

Jax obviously won't be able to carry all games late game, this is just normal, it doesn't mean Jax is weak. In fact, his players say that he is strong and can carry a lot of games BECAUSE they know how to play him. Jax can deal perfectly with Aatrox past 4 and he will destroy Aatrox Mid-Late game just by jumping on him, stunning him and AA him to death.

"Fiora is horrible first pick top" As are most top laners. What did you expect from this top counterpick meta? Fiora has no stun and if you mean Fiora uses perfect timing with W on Aatrox Q, then no, Aatrox won't have enough time to use E to run away, he will already be stuned.

At the end, I ended searching and watched and Aatrox vs Kled matchup just because you didn't stop repeating that an Master Aatrox will autowin any matchup. Guess what? Something totally unexpected happened, the Kled (thought Aatrox clearly countered him) ended zoning Aatrox after killing him 2 times and a third one under turret. Wow what a bad Master Aatrox player. I am 100% sure this didn't happen because Kled counters Aatrox, I am sure that was the worst Aatrox Master player out there. That must be it.

Summoner SpeIIAug 15, 20191 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM5BtffLmhM challenger aatrox into challenger kled in korea, you can see the challenger recall animations, dopa was banned on this acc 23 days ago but he peaked at 1k+ lp challenger

ZeyphelAug 15, 20191 votes

Wait, so you are showing me a video in which Kled was permacamped and then claim that Aatrox won by himself? After the 3rd gank the kled stopped attacking Aatrox because he was being camped by Karthus but in a fair 1 vs 1 Kled destroyed Aatrox (see reference in level 2 and you claim Aatrox to be the strongest early game champion).

This is not even counting that after all that disadvantage the Kled was going against Dopa who is not a normal challenger, he is in a league of himself.

Look at the time Kled hit Aatrox with E just once and took more than half his hp in a trade forcing Aatrox to ask his jungle to camp him because he knew that if that wasn't the case he would have been destroyed, even Dopa.

Show me a Kled vs Aatrox where the jungler didn't camp Aatrox. I already saw the result in a Master game and I doubt it will be any different in a Challenger one.

Summoner SpeIIAug 15, 20191 votes

aatrox has enough built in sustain and buffed health regen that after a bad trade, he can continue to lane because of his opressive sustain. After those bad trades with kled, aatrox healed so much that he ended up being the same hp as kled, and dopas playstyle involves playing lane perfectly and managing the wave so it is easy for karthus to gank. and in that 2nd gank of karthus, you see kled trying to use e to escape, but the aatrox uses q to deny kled any hope of escape. I'm just stating that the sustain of aatrox early game is way too oppressive.

ZeyphelAug 15, 20191 votes

After Kled almost killed Aatrox level 2, Aatrox healed almost nothing. The only reason Aatrox healed in next levels was because Kled was not agressive enough to attack Aatrox fearing a gank because Karthus was camping him and then Aatrox had advantage to use all his combo on Kled while he was afraid to answer.

Aatrox health regen is nothing special, I don't know where you got the idea of it being that strong and Aatrox sustain is a normal part of his kit that allow him to fight tanks. In case someone with grievous wounds as Kled keep trading with Aatrox, then he would be dead.

And Aatrox sustain is not that strong early game, but in mid game. So, there is no way he looses a trade and comes full health on you.

Anyone can wave control not just Aatrox Masters (this supports again that Dopa was 2x better than the Kled player) and Aatrox predicted Kled correctly, I don't see anything wrong in cutting that jump when it was too obvious like predicting a hook with Blitzcrank.

Summoner SpeIIAug 14, 20191 votes

garen is great pick into aatrox at all elos below masters, a very good counterpick, but above masters, he gets hard stomped

FSRERAug 13, 20191 votes

Welcome to League of Crap game design. Aatrox, Pyke, Akali and Kaisa, are right now the worst game designed champions.

Aatrox used to be a drain duelist changed to a drain juggernaut because that would be 100% healthy to fight, having something tanky, heavy damage dealing and self healing. Good game design! Having a assassin high skill cap support was a good idea on paper but the execution is awful. A ultra safe, overloaded with low cooldown engage and escape abilities with a reseting cooldown is awful game design, awful and should have never left the brain of that moron in Riot games who came up with it. Akali was way more fair to fight pre rework because you could actually farm, time her abilities cooldown and lock her down which with the new Akali is hard to impossible And Kaisa, everything that everyone did not want to one champion, combined into one champion. Huge amounts of mixed damage, scaling with both ap and ad, a self shield, a dash, a potential invisibility, a potential nuke skillshot and low cost items all combined into one. Even as a idea, does this sound even close to good game design? What is her counter? "Uhhhhh, you can build adaptive helm, duh, git gud" alright, it will block 30 damage from her 350 mixed damage with 2.50 attack speed attacks, the 2 secs alive will become 2,1, alright, again what is the counterplay? None.

Such champions should get re-balanced if not gutted into oblivion and no, removing Aatrox revive does not count as a nerf