Riot please nerf jungle ekko and khazix

Summoner SpeII·Oct 2, 2019·20 votes·11,640 views

literally once i see these 2 champions on the enemy team i know the game is pretty much done, no matter how well i play. They are literally the definition of overtuning. i can ban one of them, but sometimes my team won't ban ekko or khazix, and once the enemy ekko or khazix gets ahead the game is done. I dont think lane ekko is so broken compared to champs like talon, so please just nerf ekko jungle clear slightly so lane ekko won't be affected, and for khazix i would nerf his base ad by 2-3 (believe it or not, 2-3 ad is enough to take out a meta by a huge amount).

22 Comments

Aatrox EichmannOct 2, 20199 votes

riot: nerfs sylas and aatrox because they claim they dont want a champ that can be good as a 3-way flex also riot: buffs ekko so he can become a prominent 3-way flex suspiciously just in time for worlds

SweedishGunnerOct 2, 20192 votes

He's just been picked in game 1 of Worlds, now Riot can be happy and nerf him on the live servers.

Aatrox EichmannOct 3, 20191 votes

yikes.

Gamma SectorOct 2, 20193 votes

but kha is the same as any other early game champ. Either he pops off early due to (believe it or not) actually well thought out ganks, or he is near useless all game long. Best he can do if he doesn't pop off, is splitpush. Cuz he wont be worth a fuck for anything else. Idk about ekko, because I never see him in the jungle. And when I do, I just counterjungle the shit out of him, because his clear is pretty weak

Summoner SpeIIOct 2, 20196 votes

im masters tier, and in every single game if i dont ban ekko or kha one of them will be played almost guaranteed because of how meta they are and they are completely broken

Gamma SectorOct 2, 20192 votes

I'm hard pressed to say theyre flat out broken. I agree with a small AD nerf, it would make his early game a lot weaker. After 6 he's still gonna shred anyone with the audacity to step foot out of lane.

Then again, I haven't really played against Ekko jg enough to make a judgment on that. I feel that his bubble would make a stupid good gank tool, and I've always hated his ult. They need to make it heal based on whatever hp he had 5 seconds before he ulted. If he had low hp before, he shoukd STILL have low hp when he ults.

GilxeNOct 2, 20192 votes

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im masters tier, and in every single game if i dont ban ekko or kha one of them will be played almost guaranteed because of how meta they are and they are completely broken

Kha'Zix sitting God tier since his last dumb Q buff.

Nothing I've seen in past games just Kha'Zix, Rengar, Kayn (blue ofc), Vi's etc.

WoonStruckOct 2, 20192 votes

That doesn't make sense considering he can 1v1 the large majority of champions in the jungle, his clear really ISN'T that weak if done right, and he has a massive pick AND win rate. He's literally the best jungler right now, followed by ekko.

Gamma SectorOct 2, 20192 votes

just because he's a bit safer to play than most other early game champs, and a lot of the early game jgs have been gutted lol. Of course he's gonna be "good", hes the last one standing that hasn't been nerfed to shit

VentiraOct 2, 20193 votes

being able to 1v1 an isolated champ is literally his gimmick and it's not even a guaranteed gimmicks, as they are plenty of champs that dunk on Kha if they play right. Master Yi, for example, can easily soak isolated q damage with w, then dunk all over k6, also literally any tank.

Crescent DuskOct 2, 20195 votes

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but kha is the same as any other early game champ. Either he pops off early due to (believe it or not) actually well thought out ganks, or he is near useless all game long. Best he can do if he doesn't pop off, is splitpush. Cuz he wont be worth a fuck for anything else. Idk about ekko, because I never see him in the jungle. And when I do, I just counterjungle the shit out of him, because his clear is pretty weak

Kha'zix has a horrendously weak early, these idiots are probably not picking up a nocturne/udyr/warwick/xin zhao/olaf and invading the crap out of him.

His only strong point early is lv2 if he invades you healthy while you're doing buff. In which case ward well so when you see him coming, reset the buff, let him start it, and fuck him up.

By lv3 any good duelist will make his life hell, and he really relies on a squishy comp on the enemy team to get kills early as he cannot duel tanky junglers at all and gets blown up if the enemy bot lane has a rakan/alistair/blitzcrank.

He's great by mid game if he didn't get invaded to hell and late he assassinates pretty well but the moment the ADC builds GA he becomes useless.

Kha'zix is just a better Rengar, and both are rarely seen in recent LCS for a reason. CC+strong early junglers rule organized play.

Gamma SectorOct 2, 20193 votes

I definitely wouldn't say hes THAT weak. He still outputs some decent damage early, on top of having a small heal and being safe with his jump. He just gets a significant powerspike at 6, with his q refund on isolation

Crescent DuskOct 3, 20193 votes

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I definitely wouldn't say hes THAT weak. He still outputs some decent damage early, on top of having a small heal and being safe with his jump. He just gets a significant powerspike at 6, with his q refund on isolation

He can't contest crab against any half decent lv3 duelist, he gets shit on by any bruiser/tank jungler who rushes tabis and can't do anything but escape invades, and before lv6 has a horrendously weak clear on krugs and raptors.

He has an very easily abusable early game, just like Evelyn and Shaco. If people allow them to scale up, it's their fault. Jungle is snowballier than ever and never have strong duelists and invaders been so dominant and rewarded by the jungle xp changes which make losing camps and crabs to invades a humongous handicap.

preternaturalOct 2, 20192 votes

as an ekko main, i know that i'm passing up on freelo by not playing jungle ekko right now. he's been busted in the role for the whole season in soloque :/ his ganks are pretty much guaranteed to fish a major cooldown or a takedown, varied pathing options cause his kit is derptastic for the jungle, and varied build options for whatever your team might need be it more magic dmg, tankiness, or something hybrid cause "fuck it i'm triforce/gunblade ekko now." doesn't really have a bad matchup either, there's just things you either run away from or things you pretend to runaway from. and he got buffed while all of that was already in play, utility buffs no less, the ones i swore rito wouldn't do, but oh well guess we making worlds clips now.

preternaturalOct 2, 20192 votes

iunno bout kha'zix man some of them dudes are just fucking good at that champion, hats off to them. i reckon the champion should be doing that if they're that good with it, honestly. an average kha'zix is already some huge skillgap compared to a "good" one, they don't even present nearly as much of an issue if any at all, more of an annoyance for some 10 minutes of the game till promptly doing nothing but observing fights from afar.

Wordson1xOct 31, 20192 votes

Almost a month later and this still hasn't been taken care of.

Summoner SpeIIOct 2, 20191 votes

i just demoted to diamond playing against a khazix that griefed early game, he still came back and 1 shotted my team, good game balance

Gamma SectorOct 2, 20193 votes

do you not have any cc or tanks? There is literally no way that should happen unless you LET it happen.

Lazy GrandpaOct 2, 20191 votes

yes dude, you tell the masters player how it should be*[slayer-jinx-unamused]*

Gamma SectorOct 2, 20192 votes

Let's be real, in this season, plat and low diamond players are hitting masters. Ranked is a joke this season.

Either way, I'm still right, there is no way a griefing Kha can do that much damage unless his team was making stupid decisions or had a team full of nothing but squishies. Which, in that case, it's their own fault