Make Sheen give more mana, and cost more

Toastersaot·Oct 31, 2016·13 votes·881 views

Here's the reasoning:

It's been a while, since this happened, but here it goes.

Why should a Manaless champion EVER be a balance point for a MANA based item.

I'm thinking 1250 gold for sheen for an extra 100 mana. Then, buff the final (and to a lesser extent ).

We shouldn't have to balance a mana based item based on a manaless champion.

MM is probably going to come after this thread for me asking him to nerf for his champion, but then why does sheen have mana?

29 Comments

Ruin LanceOct 31, 20166 votes

whats wrong with yasuo buying trinity force

ToastersaotOct 31, 20166 votes

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whats wrong with yasuo buying trinity force

Do you remember this wonderful build from a few months ago?

Yasuo item 3078 item 3022 item 3026 item 3111 item 3068 item 3053 .

If you have played against it, you would understand the problem.

Pierce The VealOct 31, 20161 votes

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Do you remember this wonderful build from a few months ago?

.

If you have played against it, you would understand the problem.

What's wrong with Akali building triforce.

And Mordekaiser.

Ruin LanceOct 31, 20161 votes

uh yeah, i have played it and played against it. guess what? that build isn't a thing anymore, so there is no problem.

GULAG 4 UOct 31, 20162 votes

It was nerfed and isn't amazing on yasuo anymore? You need frozen mallet and ga and with that build you get no lifesteal

FantasySniperOct 31, 20161 votes

Actually, it's still pretty damn good. Frozen Mallet is still one of his most popular items.

FantasySniperOct 31, 20162 votes

Yasuo is cancer. Tank Yasuo is still cancer. It should really be self explanatory.

Ruin LanceOct 31, 20161 votes

did you even read what i said?

Akali is SO HOTOct 31, 20163 votes

Why is Yasuo buying Trinity Force problematic exactly? If that was the case then Lich Bane should be completely reworked because Akali buys it even though she uses energy instead of mana.

ToastersaotOct 31, 20163 votes

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Why is Yasuo buying Trinity Force problematic exactly? If that was the case then Lich Bane should be completely reworked because Akali buys it even though she uses energy instead of mana.

Akali Is getting the rework right now.

Not only that she is up for a full VGU, possibly in 2017.

Akali is SO HOTOct 31, 20163 votes

Akali is getting a small rework not lich bane. You are asking for Trinity Force to be changed because Yasuo buys it sometimes. You still haven't stated why it's problematic that Yasuo buys the item. Yasuo rarely buys it anyway so I'm not seeing the problem.

ToastersaotOct 31, 20162 votes

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Akali is getting a small rework not lich bane. You are asking for Trinity Force to be changed because Yasuo buys it sometimes. You still haven't stated why it's problematic that Yasuo buys the item. Yasuo rarely buys it anyway so I'm not seeing the problem.

I stated in my OP that I had a problem with someone like Yasuo buying item 3078 because he wasn't meant to build the item, yet Riot has to balance around his use of it. I'm basically saying that in the future, there should be more mana on item 3057 to discourage him from using it in the future.

Akali is SO HOTOct 31, 20163 votes

They aren't balancing it around Yasuo sometimes buying Triforce lol. They balance triforce mainly around Corki, Ezreal, Jax, and Irelia and the power of the item itself overall. I'm not sure where you're getting this mindset that champions shouldn't buy an item because it has a stat they can't use on it.

SalronOct 31, 20163 votes

{quoted} Why should a Manaless champion EVER be a balance point for a MANA based item.

>Argues that Yasuo shouldn't be a balance point for Triforce

Suggests balance change specifically for this

10/10 would balance again

WoonStruckOct 31, 20162 votes

MM doesn't even build item 3078 anymore.

He builds item 3116 item 3053 for the most part.

He'd be getting TF much later in the game if he ever wanted it, and 200 gold isn't a huge nerf in that case. Very worth the nerfs to Yasuo building it.

Akali is SO HOT and Ruin Lance are right. There's nothing wrong with manaless champions using Trinity Force, but OP is also right...they should not be considered main contenders for the item's use to the point where the item would ever get nerfed because they purchase it commonly.

Also, keep in mind that Yasuo was only really strong with item 3046 included in his TF/FM builds. IMO, PD is the real problem with Yasuo building somewhat bruiser-ish.

GULAG 4 UOct 31, 20161 votes

Yasuo doesn't really build triforce anymore.

TheHappyReaperzOct 31, 20162 votes

Why is item 3078 a problem on Yasuo?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 31, 20162 votes

he builds it for the proc after casting an ability to increase his damage on his next auto and cdr

as long as it has that ... he will continue to get it

GULAG 4 UOct 31, 20161 votes

If triforce gets nerfed morde should just get Nashor's tooth.

ToastersaotOct 31, 20161 votes

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If triforce gets nerfed morde should just get Nashor's tooth.

I don't think it fits the "burst mage" playstyle of Mordekaiser, but I feel what you're saying here could work thematically with the "Battle Mage/Dark Paladin" bruiser Mordekaiser.

I dunno ask /r/MordekaiserMains, which I will give you the link to here: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/

Pierce The VealOct 31, 20161 votes

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I don't think it fits the "burst mage" playstyle of Mordekaiser, but I feel what you're saying here could work thematically with the "Battle Mage/Dark Paladin" bruiser Mordekaiser.

I dunno ask /r/MordekaiserMains, which I will give you the link to here: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/

Based on http://champion.gg/champion/Mordekaiser

He should be getting two protobelts.

GULAG 4 UOct 31, 20161 votes

Opgg's highest winrate builds are 99% of the time bullshot you shouldn't bother using anyways

Pierce The VealOct 31, 20161 votes

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Opgg's highest winrate builds are 99% of the time bullshot you shouldn't bother using anyways

This is champion.gg

Someone, somewhere has done this 33 times with a 55% success rate.

I do not comprehend this.

GULAG 4 UOct 31, 20161 votes

Mordekaiser has a very low playrate. It is easily possible to sell your items and buy random shit at the end of the game to rig it.

Pierce The VealOct 31, 20161 votes

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Mordekaiser has a very low playrate. It is easily possible to sell your items and buy random shit at the end of the game to rig it.

Good point.

Though I'm not sure why anyone would want to rig it with an extra protobelt.

MordepoolOct 31, 20161 votes

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I don't think it fits the "burst mage" playstyle of Mordekaiser, but I feel what you're saying here could work thematically with the "Battle Mage/Dark Paladin" bruiser Mordekaiser.

I dunno ask /r/MordekaiserMains, which I will give you the link to here: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/

Honestly the item is too costly for when you want the power spike mid game. here me out Rylais is super expensive(that's fine) so by the time you finish Rylais+boots it's early midgame and if you devote the time to finish Trinity its almost late game and you have No Resistances to speak of. And then you need to build a Steraks to actually make the Trinity Force build worthwhile.

Trinity+ Steraks. Is great for Morde but it's so Costly to complete the games is over before you can use the synergy

resumedOct 31, 20161 votes

we shouldnt nerf an item just because of one champion

just think of how many champions changing sheen alone would affect

anyway

nerf yasuo

HazyCloud7Oct 31, 20161 votes

Why would you do that when it will affect countless other champions that build sheen items? You are talking about a nerf to Irelia, Jax, GP, Ezreal, Kassadin, Akali, Ekko, Corki, TF and Fizz all because of one champion?

What kind of logic is that? Rather just nerf Yasuo, who is far too strong right now for a supposed "high skill cap champion"

SlashStrikerOct 31, 20161 votes

Yasuo is very suitable for Sheen items since he got low cooldown on his abilities.

He pretty much puts himself behind when trying to build trinity force CDR that he gets is a bit waste since his Q is not affected by CDR I don't see how CDR affect his dashes too He does not use mana either Udyr for instance will benefit from trinity force way more than Yasuo would Overall if Yasuo players think thats good build for yasuo i am perfectly fine with it

Making Sheen more expansive may affect negatively other mana champions that use sheen