Make Yasuo's Ult Armor Pen apply only to critical strikes

Toastersaot··234 votes·10,084 views

This change will hurt Tanky Bruiser Yasuo with Zero Crit, but won't do much to Normal Crit Yasuo, who hits 100% Crit very Quickly. Please consider this for a change, as playing against this

Yasuo item 3078 item 3022 item 3026 item 3053 item 3111 item 3068 is just way too frustrating and needs to be gutted as a build path.

167 Comments

Marshbouy22 votes

Initially i was like "that's bullshit" and then i thought "that's pretty smart" Might be too hard of a nerf tho, Riot tries to keep more off meta builds viable most of the time.

ChaosThief53 votes

Trust me, tanksuo isn't an "off meta" build. It gets on people's nerves.

Marshbouy6 votes

i know it's not off meta, although it is supposed to be. People got up in arms about an AP lucian nerf... don't give this community too much credit for not finding something to complain about.

ChaosThief17 votes

Complaining? That's what a community does best.

Hawkefire13 votes

Actually, it isn't an "off meta" build because it literally IS meta for yasuo. It outperforms all the other yasuo builds so hard that there rarely ever is justification to build anything else on yasuo.

Gooz9 votes

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Riot tries to keep more off meta builds viable most of the time.

Ap tristana would like to have a word with you

HeadHonchkrow14 votes

AP Tristy was broken af and not at all fun to play against

Maximum Morde8 votes

Ap trist was love, AP trist was life.

TheRealBaz3 votes

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Initially i was like "that's bullshit" and then i thought "that's pretty smart" Might be too hard of a nerf tho, Riot tries to keep more off meta builds viable most of the time.

not taht much of a nerf when you consider that yasuo need about 2 items to get full crit

Mecha Incognito3 votes

But it will nerf that build since people will actually start buying crit chance and being squishy again.

Lady Hammerlock20 votes

Actually this is probably the smartest balance idea for Yasuo I've seen

because it only really hurts Crit yasuo pre-2 crit items and hits tankuo pretty hard

RiftAwaken10 votes

as a yasuo main i wouldnt mind this, i know that yasuo is SUPER broken right now with the way he is being built. I personally think that this would be an awesome balance change.

Caítlyn8 votes

Why not just remove the free armor pen

Ruin Lance15 votes

because this is about nerfing bruiser yasuo not regular yasuo

Caítlyn10 votes

nerf all yasuos because f*ck Yasuo

PeanutButterFan14 votes

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nerf all yasuos because f*ck Yasuo

I could say that about Caitlyn

Ariel the Cruel3 votes

Kalista

4th3t0s7 votes

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Kalista

Who's that?

Ariel the Cruel4 votes

A pain in the ass.

QjTHqo3RTq7 votes

While you're not wrong, she's in a really bad sport as it is

Ariel the Cruel3 votes

nerf all yasuos because f*ck Yasuo

The initial statement had nothing to do with strength. My hate for Kalista also has nothing to do with strength. Her kit is just a major pain in the ass no matter which team she is on.

JESUSSAYSNO7 votes

I can get behind this. 100% crit yas is really the only way he should be played imho.

Lord Desert7 votes

We could make it so that he gets 1% ArPen for 2% Critchance on his ult. So at 100%Crit he gets his 50%ArPen, but he gets something before he has 100% crit too.

Moesnd4 votes

That is actually a pretty smart idea

Project omen4 votes

This will pretty much gut any other Yasuo build and Yasuo players will be forced to always build 100 crit. What if I want to build just one crit chance item and then go bruiser? What if I use this build and replace triforce with phantom dancer for example? I will have armor pen chance too? Why not just nerf base damages and buff scalings instead? Also frustration is subjective.

iody6 votes

that's kinda the point. and it only takes 2 items to get 100% crit so whats the problem? he still can comfortably go shiv, IE, then sunfire and be overly tanky for someone doing as much damage as he would.

Project omen1 votes

It makes his core build one directional. Half of his item slots will always be 2 crit items plus boots. Now don't get me wrong, that's how I always itemized with him, but I don't think giving him armor pen chance is gonna solve his problem. It doesn't even follow logic, if you ask me. Why not give him the Ekko treatment? I mean his kit has flat damage only, so I don't see anything wrong with that.

iody4 votes

because his e scales off ap and his q is a modified autoattack. I guess you could nerf the base damage on his ult. the thing is that there isn't a problem with tank items on yasuo its the fact that he builds no crit and does shit tons of damage. its quite normal to see a yas go pd, ie and sunfire. and that would be fucked if he got base damage nerfs because he would rely on not only building crit but building flat ad after his core. and it wouldn't destroy the tank yasuo build but it would take away its ability to shred a rammus with ease and still survive. he needs counter play and has little with the frozen force build

World Ender3 votes

I agree, Yasuo is supposed to be played with Crit. Building tanky at some point during the game is fine especially if you're dying a lot, because Yasuo plays much more like a fighter than an assassin. But simply building tanky and doing roughly the same amount of damage as a 3-4 full damage item Yasuo is a bit ridiculous. It's the difference between being deleted in 1-2 seconds vs 3-4 seconds, but that's still often not enough time to react, especially if he knocks you up and ults you.

Poske3 votes

If you do this he is not going to be viable in any lane. He ll need some buffs to compensate

I would rather have tanky yasuo then gimmicky die in 0.5 sec crit yasuo

Toastersaot42 votes

I thought that Yasuo's whole thematic was to be this Samurai Anime Character who would sacrifice himself with his ultimate and damage, setting up his team. That's why I thought his Ult is called "Last Breath."

ChaosThief12 votes

That or the badass anime samurai that takes down an entire army single handed.

Either way, they aren't really trying to take 1000 hits, they're just trying to get their job done (either sacrifice or avoiding hits entirely)

Hinagiku336 votes

While Yasuo should be a squishy samurai character, he shouldn't have to sacrifice himself with his ult.

Riot has made their position clear that requiring a character to do a thing then die is bad gameplay and bad design. It's the reason they give assassins a way to escape after they score a kill. The game should not be played like "piece trading in chess". If a champ like Yasuo is supposed to die when using his ult, then his ult has to be a certain kill and that's not fun for anyone.

  • Yasuo doesn't want to die just to use his ult.
  • Nobody wants to instantly die just because Yasuo ult'ed them.
  • Yasuo's team doesn't want to have a teammate that jumps in and dies like a Bronze VI scrub every fight because that feed the entire enemy team gold for killing him and offsets the 5v4 advantage down to a 4v4.
  • The enemy team isn't even happy getting extra gold every time they all kill Yasuo because they'd rather have a chance to stop him before he kills their carry.

No doubt, Tanky DPS Yasuo has to go. But useless glass cannon that has to sacrifice himself every fight to do anything Yasuo is FAR more toxic to the game.


Damage is so high right now that every melee champ needs to get some tankiness just to not instantly explode every fight. We and Riot need to decide if champs like Yasuo should be allowed to literally one-shot a carry right off the map with no counterplay or if we are okay with them building tanky but taking longer to get kills. Because right now, if a melee champ can't be successful when building at least semi-tanky and cannot delete a carry in under 1 second going glass cannon, they are just plain not viable and that is not okay.

iody1 votes

he would still easily be viable. he would just have to do the standard zeal item rush. his laning phase is strong enough as it is. (that is if your good at him)

Poske1 votes

Except that even MIDSUO would be nerfed

You dont hit 100% crit chance until certain minute

And none considers yasuo mid viable in high elo

He might be good in mid against 2 champions at best but given how short the lane is they really shouldnt die to him

kasfas3 votes

Yet midlaners don't build any armour apart from zhonyas, and even with that yasuo will likely have a crit item by then making his ult pen through it anyway.

iody3 votes

this is probably the best idea ive seen about balancing yasuo

Arthimetes3 votes

Bruiser items once again getting abused by an assassin champion. Shocker.

DunkinNoobs2 votes

I would be down for this if I thought Yasuo's bruiser build was problematic. Problem is, I don't. I merely see it as an alternative to his carry build rather than strictly superior to it, and if anything, the items that bruiser Yasuo uses item 3078 item 3022 item 3046 deserve nerfs in their own right before Yasuo should even be considered.

Blåbæret6 votes

Yasuo main detected.

DunkinNoobs2 votes

That would make me more qualified to speak on the subject compared to the average salty scrub, yes.

420 grams1 votes

Like his passive isn't long enough

Ariel the Cruel14 votes

The armor pen is on his ult. Still plenty of room left before we run out of screen space. ;p

kile1479 votes

Jhin showed us that Riot is capable of fitting entire essays into their descriptions.

Nuky1 votes

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Moesnd3 votes

That is the point

To make tank yasuo NOT a thing

Nuky1 votes

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Moesnd6 votes

Thats what we are TRYING to do

Yasuo is not a tank and should not be one

His tank build is op and he needs to be carry

That is why he is getting nerfed

Hello I am Bird4 votes

I thought the point of this was to discourage bruiser/tank yas?

Nuky2 votes

Yes but i believe there is better option to nerf him. To nerf his ult (armor pen) his ult will be useful when u have no crit...

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