Evelynn is a lot of fun to play

StoryDuck·Oct 13, 2017·16 votes·2,003 views

...but rendered completely useless because she an assassin in the current meta. Got flank on ADC multiple times. Unleashed a point black proto, Q, E, Q AA Q after landing W charm. R out from the flank to escape the enemy team....ADC took 10% health damage (No I was not behind). Thanks riot. Cool champion but why bother? She legit deals 0 damage when every ADC has 2k health shields. Why even have assassins anymore? I mean, I unleash full combo and 10% damage? ADC let lose one auto attack I took 40% heath damage? Fix the damn ADC role.

44 Comments

Fresh UntiltedOct 13, 20179 votes

An asssassin isn't supposed to one-shot champions in the early game. They are supposed to help deal damage (maybe at most 40%) very quickly, from surprising angles so that the enemy is caught off guard.

That is what Evelynn does. You still need help from team to do much. But an assassin that 100-0's an ADC before full build? No thanks!

StoryDuckOct 13, 20171 votes

10% health was not an exaggeration. I don't mind if she doesn't 100-0 but she didn't even do 40%. Your statement was not reached. Also, ADC does 40% health damage in 1 auto attack. So can you explain to me where the balance is please?

Fresh UntiltedOct 13, 20172 votes

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10% health was not an exaggeration. I don't mind if she doesn't 100-0 but she didn't even do 40%. Your statement was not reached. Also, ADC does 40% health damage in 1 auto attack. So can you explain to me where the balance is please?

Maybe because you play her wrong. Evelynn definitely has more burst than 10% of a normal adc's health bar. You just didn't get it off. Play around her power spikes, you'll see.

StoryDuckOct 13, 20171 votes

Maybe, but I saw what I saw. ADC took almost 0 damage because of the current shield meta despite getting flanked on. Props to the support for pressing E or using locket or whatever but there is just way too many shields on ADCs. I wouldn't be crabbing if I was CC'd or pushed away (that's just good outplay on their part) but no....just a shield. This ruins the experience of evelynn's rework for me. It should for you too.

KindredAndWolfOct 13, 20174 votes

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10% health was not an exaggeration. I don't mind if she doesn't 100-0 but she didn't even do 40%. Your statement was not reached. Also, ADC does 40% health damage in 1 auto attack. So can you explain to me where the balance is please?

It's not balanced, new Eve isn't even cardboard tier at decent elo's now. Regardless with her new kit she is a very very niche champ that should only be picked into immobile squishee team comps.If they have alot of cc just forget playing her that game.. She can't kill solo, she needs #teamwork to kill anyone and that means she will need decent coordination to kill. Sadly if you do get super fed with her it will make it harder for your team to close out the game because all the team's gold is on an immobile assassin that needs help from the team to kill anyone. I'd wait for new runes to come out because as of right now she is pretty shit....

StoryDuckOct 13, 20175 votes

She does seem really weak. Which is a pity because she's really fun. You really feel like a terror running around stalking prey. I loe the change in ambiance when she goes camo. It felt really empowering. I just wish her kit matched that feeling.

PrinceOfStormsOct 13, 20172 votes

I feel like that comes from a lot of Eve players not knowing how to play her anymore. They changed her play pattern more or less fundamentally; she's not an early game champion that relies on having a huge gank at level 3, but a scaling assassin now.

OleandervineOct 13, 20172 votes

I don't think she's weak at all, and I've solo'd quite a few enemies. You need to get Protobelt after Runic Echoes, as the passive from the Revolver is amazing for her early/mid bursting power. After the Belt is finished, move into Lichbane, as the Spellblade passive will pick up where Revolver lets off. After that, Liandry/Void Staff if they have HP or heavy MR, or Banshee's if they have a lot of CC. Another absolute must on her is the Mobility Boots. These are 100% essential to getting her around the map and where she needs to be. They also help her to escape enemies who can't chase her down, and allow her to double back around for the kill after she heals up. She's not a balls in assassin like Ekko or Talon, so you need to play her with a lot more finesse.

JoeMGOct 13, 20172 votes

Agreed. I think she could use some adjustments to help her actually get to her target but I've found her damage is plenty sufficient, not sure where people are getting the idea that she's weak.

Karn BishopOct 13, 20172 votes

Want to know how weak? just walk into her jungle as shes doing second buff or frog, what can she realistically do in this situation? wait 2.5 seconds and still potentially miss triggering the charm and thats assuming its up which its not since she cannot clear a camp without it, kill you with Q and E? lol no, run away? yeah gl when most of the jungler roster is highly mobile and has better base movement, flash? they got flash too, auto? haha bet their autos are stronger.

Yara0Oct 13, 20172 votes

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10% health was not an exaggeration. I don't mind if she doesn't 100-0 but she didn't even do 40%. Your statement was not reached. Also, ADC does 40% health damage in 1 auto attack. So can you explain to me where the balance is please?

No gap closer a passive thats not usable till lvl 6 low burst not even capable of early game trading cant go tank is ap so super expensive build path no reliable cc low range yah..... she has problems. your best bet is probably mid and just play like a bitch till mid game.

Hèntaî Oct 13, 20171 votes

Isnt her E a gap closer of sorts?

OleandervineOct 13, 20171 votes

There's a lot wrong with this statement. She has a gap closer. It's her empowered E. It cannot close gaps once she's engaged in combat, but it is a gap closer. She's an assassin, and she's not intended to stick to her targets like a tank or a bruiser. She goes in, she gets a kill, she goes out. Her passive has 2 components to it. The first is the substantial heal when she's out of combat. The second is the stealth at level 6. Healing in jungle is incredibly powerful, and gives her a lot of sustain to allow her to continue farming longer than a lot of other junglers can early game. When she hits 6, the healing is a way for her to recoup after a skirmish and hunt down stragglers with ease. Do not insult her self healing capabilities if you don't value how powerful it may be. She has little CC and can't go tank for one particular reason - she's not a tank. She's an assassin. Assassins don't have a lot of CC. Ekko is the poster child of why they shouldn't. He was also the poster child as to why assassins can't be allowed to go tanky. Assassins are squishy murderers who pick off weak targets. Not tanks. Not enchanters. Additionally, while some AP items are super expensive, a good chunk of her core items are not. Runic Echoes is not expensive, and neither is Hextech Protobelt or Lichbane. All of these items have fairly easy build paths, and once Evelynn gets at least 2 of these completed, she's a force to be reckoned with. To me, it sounds like you didn't invest enough efforts into learning the new Evelynn and you're automatically trying to play her like her old, extremely flawed version. No VGU ever plays like the original, so I don't see why you think Evelynn should.

DuskDaUmbreonOct 13, 20171 votes

Dude. Unless the ADC somehow had nothing but health and MR, and as long as you actually had items, you did more than 10% of their health.

How do I know this? Basic numbers.

Also, ADC does 40% health damage in 1 auto attack.

This doesn't happen, and we both know it.

THE RlVER KlNGOct 13, 20178 votes

Ur lying 100% if you're saying your full combo did 10% of an ADCs health come on man that's just false

kalima994Oct 13, 20172 votes

Not if the support stacks shields

DuskDaUmbreonOct 13, 20173 votes

You could have a team that's literally 4 shielding supports and an ADC and you still would do more than 10%.

IcyPepperOct 13, 20171 votes

So that's going against two champions and with just yourself...?

Shuyin178Oct 13, 20173 votes

The problem isn't the ADCs, it's the supports making the ADCs seem better than they really are. There are so many shields and defensive things supports can do now, it makes your ADC seem like a god when they really just have a thumb up their bum pressing 1 button and hoping for the best.

option paralysisOct 13, 20172 votes

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The problem isn't the ADCs, it's the supports making the ADCs seem better than they really are. There are so many shields and defensive things supports can do now, it makes your ADC seem like a god when they really just have a thumb up their bum pressing 1 button and hoping for the best.

yeah its not the 600 crit per milisecond, its the supports :)

JackMcSnipeyzOct 13, 20171 votes

it's the supports keeping those squishy carries alive and covering all their classes weakness that is the problem :)

Flawless FetusOct 13, 20172 votes

I'm confused. You make a post about how supports are op, and then wrap it up with "fix the damn adc role". Strange.

TruelyTrueTruethOct 13, 20171 votes

no he starts off with how fun evelynn is to play to how weak she is then to the support thing

Flawless FetusOct 13, 20172 votes

"I do no damage bc supports are to strong. Nerf adcs"

TruelyTrueTruethOct 13, 20172 votes

thank you for saying "...but rendered completely useless because she an assassin in the current meta. Got flank on ADC multiple times. Unleashed a point black proto, Q, E, Q AA Q after landing W charm. R out from the flank to escape the enemy team....ADC took 10% health damage (No I was not behind). Thanks riot. Cool champion but why bother? She legit deals 0 damage when every ADC has 2k health shields. Why even have assassins anymore? I mean, I unleash full combo and 10% damage? ADC let lose one auto attack I took 40% heath damage? Fix the damn ADC role."

i thought you were gonna say something about how the reworked evelynn is so good and perfect

which she is not she has a few flaws

i think she needs a buff, not with her damage, but with her basic utility

and your right about the adc thing

ts just them damn ad champs fuking autoing us to death

legit saw a twitch 3 auto and use his E or something and killed the enemy

ad champs are op compared to ap champs imo

DrugothOct 13, 20172 votes

You made a huge mistake my friend, protobelt is a trap item on Eve. Think about it for a second. You get a huge bonus to damage if you E from stealth. When you use the protobelt active to close the distance to use the E it unstealths you and you lose the damage bonus. Instead, I would say focus on magic pen and upgrading movement speed.

Somebody Love MeOct 13, 20172 votes

You don't lose empowered E upon leaving steath. Your first E after stealthing will be empowered until you use it.

DrugothOct 13, 20171 votes

What? I read the ability wrong? Boy do I feel stupid lol.

Somebody Love MeOct 13, 20171 votes

Lol all good I misunderstood it too. I just had to play enough games on her in PBE before I finally realized xD

BobaFlautistOct 13, 20171 votes

Most high level players also don't use protobelt to initiate an attack, it's a finisher you use after you've unloaded your combo as your opponent is backing away. It does more damage in closer range anyway.

Leaf on BushOct 13, 20171 votes

it's not a trap item, but you don't need it always.

OleandervineOct 13, 20171 votes

Protobelt isn't a trap item for her. It offers her the Revolver while it's being built, which has a passive that favors burst, and it also gives her much needed CDR and HP. The Belt isn't just an engage item. It a useful in any situation where you might use something like Flash, Lucian Dash, Vayne Tumble, etc.

Fresh UntiltedOct 13, 20171 votes

Her kit isn't the issue. I think it is very well crafted. However, I don't like that minions see you through stealth now. That often ruin my level 6 ganks.

PrinceOfStormsOct 13, 20171 votes

Wait they do? That's either a legit retarded design decision, or a bug. No other stealth champion can be seen by minions, including Twitch, whose Q is basically Eve stealth while active.

OleandervineOct 13, 20171 votes

They do not see through stealth. I have played numerous games. If they did, the stealth would be useless because it would immediately alert the enemy players to your location.

PokladnicaZlaOct 13, 20171 votes

I think ADCs as a class at their current power are the issue,rather than just Evelynn.

FeathermaneOct 13, 20171 votes

Remove shield stacking. There, problem solved.

Need Gold 4 TentOct 13, 20171 votes

well the thing with her ult is... it's an execution ult and a retardedly strong one at that. however, as a result, her other numbers just become horrible. You may have landed your combo but considering the lousy damage on the other skills, you probably wouldn't have been able to get to execution threshold anyway, so you pretty much didn't have an ult. Add shields and heals into the mix... you get the idea.

Stars ShaperOct 13, 20171 votes

I think that Evelynn could use a damage buff for as long as she attacks a target.

Think it as constant small increase of damage, it fits her character and might help with her performance.

JackMcSnipeyzOct 13, 20171 votes

This is such bullshit, no way a full rotation of everything and adc is still standing, let alone 10% health still left. You are either lying or missing out details, i've seen eve delete bruisers and squishies alike when she was ahed, and when even she has no problem chunking damage to even semi beefy targets.

Also, if the adc has a support next to him it's 100% alright in my book that you cant just go in 1v2 and go out with a free kill because "lol im assassin", game doesnt work like that, if the adc has a support shielding him he has the advantage and unless you are ahed you shouldnt be picking fights 1v2

EDIT: read the thread again, you say you just did 10% damage, yea - no, i dont care how much you spin this around adc are not tanks no way you just did 10% damage on equal terms

Leaf on BushOct 13, 20171 votes

So Jhin with Thresh is meta? Jhin without lifesteal btw, no MR... You were behind though over 4k gold behind Jhin.

[sg-lulu]

YOu must have missed half of your spells too, there is no other explanation. xD

ÇhåryzårdOct 13, 20171 votes

Pre 6 she's pretty useless unless your lane has the CC to help her gank.

Once she hits 6 she's able to gank a lot easier but she's not going to completely burst down an adc in 3 seconds until later in the game like every single other assassin unless she's pretty fed..

From what I've seen so far it goes either way, I've seen Eve's do pretty well and some do pretty bad.

IcyPepperOct 13, 20171 votes

She legit deals 0 damage when every ADC has 2k health shields.

So you tried to 1v2 and expected to win.

Are people still trying to act like the support should be easy to ignore?

Yara0Oct 13, 20171 votes

To me it sounds like your a person playing a new champion in normal matches where you can get fed as fuck on literally any champion and thinking that amounts to strength. Eve has no gap closer her empowered E is so small and brings you out of stealth range it is not a viable gap close she cant chase champs after a fight because she has no movement bonuses her burst is low and i have played ap eve and only ap eve if i pick her. I have over 8000 hrs in multiple mobas including LoL DOTA Smite and paragon. In the current ranked and competetive meta of this game evelynn is probably the worst champ you can pick into an experienced jungler. Aka you will lose about 70% of the time if you play evelynn into a compotent team due to how easy she is to abuse.